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that occurred in the rendelsham forest

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incident that doesn't involve aliens at

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classic flying saucer really standing in

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the clearing he turned over to my father

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and held his hand and he looked in his

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welcome to podcast ufo for our live show

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we're live every wednesday at 8pm

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eastern standard time on

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podcastufo.com during the show feel free

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to the show i am martin willis your host

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and we have another great show for you

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this evening alejandro rojas of course

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is coming up with the ufo updates and

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our guest is the prolific author nick

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redfearn he's going to be talking about

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his book

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365 days of ufos i downloaded the book

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we'll go over that it's a lot of fun

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we are now live streaming on youtube

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apologize for the show last week um

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radio and i couldn't be live

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so what's going to change nothing really

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no changes there but if you wanted to

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i've done several tests i don't think

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i'm a little concerned but i've actually

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have a chat room on podcast ufo but uh

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there and that's enough babbling how you

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pretending like she's on the beach maybe

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this is a showmanship that's right well

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the video feed of myself

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how i know all about your face oh my

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phoenix at the ufo congress in a couple

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weeks really looking forward to it and i

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martinetpodcastufo.com i'd love to hang

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so what's going on in the news this week

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in the news so um oh i i should give

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your listeners a tip too two

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if you're going to the conference if you

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want uh discount tickets you're gonna

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get a much cheaper price if you buy the

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tickets online at ufocongress.com

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but that those ticket sales end

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this weekend so you've got to buy your

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tickets by friday and the day is

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the 28th of seventh i think i think

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friday's the 27th yeah

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so you got to buy them by friday the

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27th yeah you got to get them by friday

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the end of this week uh or else you'll

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you'll be able to buy them at the door

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which is no problem but you'll get a

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much better price if you plan ahead and

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get them early

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because you get a really decent discount

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canadian witness at a place called

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etsy's bridge and he uh reported

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something out and he says

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spot ufos a lot of people go outside to

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smoke cigarettes and they spend time

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outside that's right but uh some people

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like you hot tub and then you see

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it's where i had my sighting and yeah in

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evening sort of dusk when i had my

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that shocked me the most

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about all of this was that there was

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absolutely no sound it moved in a

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straight line it stopped

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and then it

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it sort of went off in an angle toward

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um uh not carmel uh monterey you know it

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had sort of a bluish

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overall glow

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sort of like a blue metal glow on the

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thing but i can't i could never explain

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that sighting

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uh yeah and so that's what got me really

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interested in this topic to begin with i

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got on the phone to the police

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department

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uh over in monterey and uh they just

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gave me the woman dispatcher just gave

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me a a really hard time sarcastic

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put me on hold 15 minutes i hung up and

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um

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so that that was my side that was my hot

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top sighting

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not cool dispatch lady not cool yeah

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i know and

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now from what i understand almost all um

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police stations in this country uh have

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uh referrals to uh mufon or other

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organizations

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yep that's pretty cool but they didn't

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say anything to me at that time yeah

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that's unfortunate

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well interesting hot tubs hot tub and so

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there's a hot tub story for you the last

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story i haven't even written up on the

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website but this is super exciting for

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me

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call and he's doing a talk at the

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congress about the presidential comments

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about ufos or uh

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in hillary clinton's case or john

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podesta her campaign manager

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the

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nominees comments about ufos

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and he said hey i wanted to ask you

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about that wikileak that you're in and i

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was like what i'm in a wikileak he's

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like yeah you didn't even know this so

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one of our stories is in a wikileak so

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the back story is and we've talked about

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this before and i guess i just didn't

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read thoroughly through all of them

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but um

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there was some conversation between

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hillary and hillary clinton's campaign

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when she went on jimmy kimmel so we know

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she was expecting uh the question and

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looking forward to it well in one of

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these emails one of the staffers uh her

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staffers sends an email and we know this

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because this conversation was forwarded

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to john podesta so to keep him on the

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loop

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and um

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and what is staffer says here's what i

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think we should talk about regarding

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ufos with jimmy kimmel and when the lady

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says what are you talking about why

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would he want to talk about aliens and

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so she replies well because john podesta

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and bill clinton are really into ufos

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here's some background on it they give a

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mother jones story a recent one which

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was kind of a short story a good one and

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then

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they say here's some more background on

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bill clinton's comments on uh ufos and

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they linked to one of my stories amazing

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so the hillary clinton people were

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passing around an open mindset tv story

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to get up to speed on what bill and

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podesta had

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done

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what they had said publicly about ufos

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and i did outline it i think pretty

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thoroughly in this story um i have done

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that in several stories but

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so yeah pretty cool

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that was a really neat i'm just super

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excited about getting in the wikileaks

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there um and i'm excited that you know

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hillary's people were passing that

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around that's pretty cool that is

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amazing wow good maybe that'll help me

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get podesta we all of course want to get

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we all want to interview podesta how

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awesome would that be so that would be

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really really great i would love to see

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that all right thanks so much

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and my pleasure all right and we'll be

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talking to you next week alright hang in

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everyone after this quick music break

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we'll be right back

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[Music]

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hello nick

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oh hey martin i would just sit staying

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quiet in case you

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do something uh good to hear you nick um

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i've been on pins and needles here with

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uh this new program

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and uh so glad uh so far it seems like

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it's working

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oh cool yes and uh so thanks i know

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you've been on the show before uh always

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always a pleasure to have you on

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and uh

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just uh

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you've written another book um

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first of all how many books have you

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written i know we've talked about this

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before

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um i think it's 40 um

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all together so far and you're a very

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disciplined

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um author you

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you have uh you've told me how you

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you've done this you you start at eight

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o'clock in the morning you take a lunch

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break and work uh it's a like a nine to

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five job and you you're just dedicated

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to that and uh i think that's uh

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uh something changed yeah i mean the

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reason i do that really is because so i

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get up have breakfast and i sort of you

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know first hour eight to nine of bill

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thereabouts i sort of answer emails and

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do a few facebook posts and whatever but

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um

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the reason i like to do that sort of

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work in nine to five monday to friday is

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because for me it's important to have a

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good fun social life as well so i take

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off

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then i get back to it again monday

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morning you know and

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not that i consider it just a job you

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know you have to have that passion for

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it as well

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um

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but for me i like to sort of

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do the work

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and then stop and just you know kick

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back and do whatever i want to do night

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and weekends and that way i don't get

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burned out you know it's um

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i was doing it 24 7 you know

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surfing the net at 3am for the latest on

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roswell or whatever i would get out so

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that you know but everybody's kind of

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different you know i have friends who

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get inspired

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right through the night you know and um

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everybody's a bit different i guess

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right right um so this book uh what what

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was your your thoughts how did you get

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the idea of writing this book

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in the first in the beginning

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well you know whenever you sort of um

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looking to do a new book you want to be

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able to give the reader

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something new you know i always try and

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put myself in the place of the reader

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you know because i'm not just a writer

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of books i read books as well

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and you want to be able to read

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something that's got new material and

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perhaps presented in a

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different way and i was speaking to my

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agent and publisher lisa hagen um you

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know what books we could do for the

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future

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and we can't we came up this with this

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one sort of collectively uh the idea of

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doing a ufo story for every day of the

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year so like that's why it's called 365

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days of ufos um but what i didn't want

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to do was sort of just you know

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circulate or recirculate the same old

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cases now there's some like roswell and

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the betty and barney hill case

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things like that that you've got to put

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in there because they're sort of

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definitively

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uh famous uh cases and parts of ufology

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that you know we can't do without so to

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speak

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um but what i've done with many of the

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cases is just to use a lot of accounts

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that have been given to me over the

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years which

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really didn't sort of

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fit in any of the books that i was

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writing about at those times and so they

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just went into kind of like a limbo um

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but when the thread is not the cases or

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the subject but actually the the day of

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the year

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then you know they sort of smoothly kind

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of fit into the into the book so that

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was that was basically the idea was to

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sort of present 365 cases a lot of never

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before seen ones

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and just demonstrate to people so the

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sheer

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number of reports and also the fact that

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you know these are worldwide reports

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again sort of showing the global scale

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of the reports too uh-huh and uh

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i think it's pretty interesting because

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uh you start out

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um january 1st and then it goes in to

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different years and things like that and

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of course i had to look at my birthday

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and um

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geez i wonder if i could tell you my

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story and you'd know what my birthday is

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no um it was a sighting in oregon um in

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1947 on uh july 7th so i imagine that's

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what a lot of people do

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see

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uh what you picked for their birthday um

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and one thing i like about your book is

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um it's a

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it's an easy read and um

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and if someone like me uh who has add a

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little bit um it's easy to read they're

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short stories i love short stories

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so well you know i'm glad you said that

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because you know the book is sort of

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it's in excess of 400 pages and even for

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me you know if i get a review book or a

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new book to read

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and it's like four or five hundred pages

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i'm like gee

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you know

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um

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and particularly so when you've got to

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read it from page one to page 500 or

525
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whatever but yeah the good thing about

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this book is that each case is roughly

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one page you know and i've kept it

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um detailed you know i'm sort of uh just

529
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skimmed over it but each one is sort of

530
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like a page or there abouts

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on on each case so in other words you

532
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can just dip into it you don't have to

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start at january the first

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and finish of you know december the 31st

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you can just dip in as and when you like

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and just you know find

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a story which hopefully people find

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interesting and um and i think you know

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when you're dealing with bigger and

540
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bigger books that really is the way to

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go because sometimes you know you can

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get

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00:22:00,630 --> 00:21:58,320
information overload when you've got to

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00:22:02,630 --> 00:22:00,640
take in everything from the first place

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00:22:04,549 --> 00:22:02,640
page to the last page you know it can be

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uh

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even for me you know it can be a pain in

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the neck

549
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um someone wants to know if you if this

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will eventually be turning into an audio

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um

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that's a good question i'm not entirely

553
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sure but the previous book that the the

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company has put this out lisa hagen

555
00:22:26,710 --> 00:22:24,000
books the previous company

556
00:22:29,190 --> 00:22:26,720
did an audio book of the early one they

557
00:22:31,029 --> 00:22:29,200
did which was uh women in black kind of

558
00:22:33,669 --> 00:22:31,039
like the men in black mystery that one

559
00:22:37,190 --> 00:22:33,679
came out last year and that's just um

560
00:22:38,710 --> 00:22:37,200
come out in an audio and the um the men

561
00:22:41,669 --> 00:22:38,720
in black one that i did for them the

562
00:22:43,990 --> 00:22:41,679
previous year has also come out in audio

563
00:22:46,070 --> 00:22:44,000
so hopefully this one will as well but

564
00:22:47,830 --> 00:22:46,080
because it's just come out in paperback

565
00:22:49,590 --> 00:22:47,840
i think it might actually be a couple of

566
00:22:52,149 --> 00:22:49,600
months before the uh

567
00:22:54,230 --> 00:22:52,159
the audio or the audible um version

568
00:22:56,470 --> 00:22:54,240
comes out online yeah audible yeah

569
00:22:57,350 --> 00:22:56,480
that's a good site

570
00:23:03,510 --> 00:22:57,360
i

571
00:23:05,750 --> 00:23:03,520
show to talk about that so

572
00:23:08,310 --> 00:23:05,760
now that you're here i'd like to chat a

573
00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:08,320
little bit about that because um when i

574
00:23:12,789 --> 00:23:10,640
was reading this new book i saw that um

575
00:23:15,270 --> 00:23:12,799
some of the women in black

576
00:23:18,070 --> 00:23:15,280
uh cases uh went all the way back to the

577
00:23:20,390 --> 00:23:18,080
19th century but i i understand a lot of

578
00:23:23,110 --> 00:23:20,400
women any woman in mourning back then

579
00:23:26,710 --> 00:23:23,120
you know was wearing all black but uh

580
00:23:30,070 --> 00:23:26,720
how far back uh was that in late 19 i

581
00:23:32,070 --> 00:23:30,080
mean uh late 1800s right

582
00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:32,080
yeah i mean the the women in black

583
00:23:36,230 --> 00:23:34,080
phenomenon is sort of far less well

584
00:23:38,070 --> 00:23:36,240
known than the men in black mystery but

585
00:23:39,909 --> 00:23:38,080
there's you know there's no shortage of

586
00:23:41,830 --> 00:23:39,919
stories which is why

587
00:23:44,470 --> 00:23:41,840
you know i uh i wrote a book about it

588
00:23:45,990 --> 00:23:44,480
and then also had cases that i could um

589
00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:46,000
use in the new book as well that

590
00:23:49,750 --> 00:23:47,520
actually came in

591
00:23:51,269 --> 00:23:49,760
after the women in black book came out

592
00:23:53,510 --> 00:23:51,279
and you know there was still time to put

593
00:23:56,470 --> 00:23:53,520
them in in the new book but yeah you're

594
00:23:59,510 --> 00:23:56,480
right um the stories actually go back to

595
00:24:02,070 --> 00:23:59,520
sort of the uh 1800s and um

596
00:24:04,230 --> 00:24:02,080
the stories are sort of like eerily

597
00:24:05,990 --> 00:24:04,240
similar where the witnesses describe

598
00:24:07,990 --> 00:24:06,000
these sort of strange

599
00:24:10,549 --> 00:24:08,000
women in black as sort of well obviously

600
00:24:13,750 --> 00:24:10,559
dressed in black looking very pale

601
00:24:16,710 --> 00:24:13,760
and sort of emotionless and they often

602
00:24:18,870 --> 00:24:16,720
turned up in situations of a paranormal

603
00:24:20,070 --> 00:24:18,880
kind um

604
00:24:23,029 --> 00:24:20,080
for example

605
00:24:25,830 --> 00:24:23,039
um in wales in 1909 just at the start of

606
00:24:29,269 --> 00:24:25,840
the 20th century there's a wave of ufo

607
00:24:31,029 --> 00:24:29,279
activity in uh in north wales and south

608
00:24:33,750 --> 00:24:31,039
wales in a number of villages now the

609
00:24:35,350 --> 00:24:33,760
terms ufo and flying saucer weren't

610
00:24:37,909 --> 00:24:35,360
created back then

611
00:24:39,430 --> 00:24:37,919
but people reported seeing these strange

612
00:24:40,549 --> 00:24:39,440
balls of light flitting through the

613
00:24:42,950 --> 00:24:40,559
villages

614
00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:42,960
and on several occasions

615
00:24:46,470 --> 00:24:44,640
these women in black would turn up on

616
00:24:48,149 --> 00:24:46,480
the doorsteps of people in the little

617
00:24:49,830 --> 00:24:48,159
villages and ask them if they'd seen

618
00:24:52,230 --> 00:24:49,840
anything unusual

619
00:24:54,149 --> 00:24:52,240
um which kind of sounds you know just

620
00:24:55,029 --> 00:24:54,159
like the sort of things that the men in

621
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:55,039
black

622
00:24:58,390 --> 00:24:56,640
asked people today you know when they

623
00:25:00,710 --> 00:24:58,400
sort of launch into their threats and

624
00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:00,720
interrogations so um

625
00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:02,880
you know the it's the phenomenon's sort

626
00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:06,240
of gone very much under the radar but

627
00:25:10,710 --> 00:25:08,400
you can draw sort of real parallels

628
00:25:12,830 --> 00:25:10,720
between what was going on back then and

629
00:25:13,990 --> 00:25:12,840
what's going on today

630
00:25:16,470 --> 00:25:14,000
mm-hmm um

631
00:25:19,669 --> 00:25:16,480
now you will be um

632
00:25:23,110 --> 00:25:19,679
you will you be out in phoenix this year

633
00:25:24,310 --> 00:25:23,120
no well not not this year no i went um

634
00:25:25,830 --> 00:25:24,320
last year and right you know i

635
00:25:28,310 --> 00:25:25,840
understand they want to sort of you know

636
00:25:30,390 --> 00:25:28,320
mix it up so you don't get the

637
00:25:32,149 --> 00:25:30,400
same faces all the time but um i've got

638
00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:32,159
quite a few conferences coming up this

639
00:25:34,630 --> 00:25:32,880
year

640
00:25:36,230 --> 00:25:34,640
i bet you do you're you're uh pretty

641
00:25:38,390 --> 00:25:36,240
popular you go

642
00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:38,400
um all over the place i and it seems

643
00:25:44,950 --> 00:25:41,039
like whenever i turn on a show in this

644
00:25:47,269 --> 00:25:44,960
uh uh in this venue uh you're on it

645
00:25:48,870 --> 00:25:47,279
and so you do a lot of shows um yeah

646
00:25:50,470 --> 00:25:48,880
well i like doing lectures and

647
00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:50,480
conferences not just because you know

648
00:25:54,390 --> 00:25:52,559
you get to share information but also

649
00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:54,400
you know the good fun i enjoy the social

650
00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:56,400
side of just hanging out with friends

651
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:57,840
that you know you only see a couple of

652
00:26:01,590 --> 00:26:00,240
times a year at conferences that's right

653
00:26:02,630 --> 00:26:01,600
it was great to meet you when i was out

654
00:26:03,750 --> 00:26:02,640
there too

655
00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:03,760
and uh

656
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:06,320
yeah that's coming right up that uh it'd

657
00:26:09,750 --> 00:26:08,159
be good to get away now you're in texas

658
00:26:11,669 --> 00:26:09,760
right

659
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:11,679
yeah i'll leave about a 20-minute drive

660
00:26:16,950 --> 00:26:15,120
outside of dallas yeah so um i

661
00:26:18,870 --> 00:26:16,960
um and i know you wrote on the uh

662
00:26:21,350 --> 00:26:18,880
stephenville case

663
00:26:23,269 --> 00:26:21,360
and uh yeah there was quite a spin on

664
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:23,279
that if i remember right it wasn't well

665
00:26:28,950 --> 00:26:26,400
it wasn't uh at all or wasn't wholly

666
00:26:31,909 --> 00:26:28,960
what i remember um how deeply have you

667
00:26:33,590 --> 00:26:31,919
looked into that particular case

668
00:26:36,230 --> 00:26:33,600
oh well actually quite deep i mean the

669
00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:36,240
stephenville event was like a really

670
00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:38,320
important one regards to which way you

671
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:40,400
look at it for example in terms of the

672
00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:42,480
media you know they gave it massive

673
00:26:46,710 --> 00:26:44,640
coverage it was one that sort of really

674
00:26:49,669 --> 00:26:46,720
caught the attention of the of the uh

675
00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:49,679
country's uh regular mainstream media

676
00:26:53,350 --> 00:26:52,000
never mind you know alternative media or

677
00:26:57,029 --> 00:26:53,360
ufology

678
00:26:59,350 --> 00:26:57,039
um people like associated press cnn i

679
00:27:01,909 --> 00:26:59,360
mean and they all reported on this

680
00:27:04,149 --> 00:27:01,919
particular case and one of the reasons

681
00:27:05,909 --> 00:27:04,159
was that you know stephenville

682
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:05,919
um which actually isn't that far from

683
00:27:09,430 --> 00:27:07,679
where i live it's only been a 45 minute

684
00:27:13,269 --> 00:27:09,440
drive or something like that

685
00:27:16,390 --> 00:27:13,279
um but it really sort of put the town

686
00:27:19,510 --> 00:27:16,400
on the map and for a number of reasons

687
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:19,520
one being that numerous people saw

688
00:27:25,110 --> 00:27:22,880
this first particular ufo and what was

689
00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:25,120
particularly interesting about it was it

690
00:27:30,630 --> 00:27:27,760
was gigantic you know it was just

691
00:27:32,870 --> 00:27:30,640
like this huge you know slab flying

692
00:27:34,549 --> 00:27:32,880
through the sky yeah some people said

693
00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:34,559
like a mile they thought it could be a

694
00:27:39,110 --> 00:27:36,240
mile right yeah

695
00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:39,120
yeah it was reportedly massive now what

696
00:27:44,789 --> 00:27:42,240
happened was that a number of the uh

697
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:44,799
witnesses said they saw military planes

698
00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:48,000
pursuing the uh ufo like fighter

699
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:50,640
aircraft now this was actually denied

700
00:27:54,549 --> 00:27:53,440
officially but then shortly afterwards

701
00:27:57,350 --> 00:27:54,559
um

702
00:28:00,070 --> 00:27:57,360
the joint reserve base naval air station

703
00:28:01,590 --> 00:28:00,080
in fort worth um admitted that they

704
00:28:03,830 --> 00:28:01,600
actually did have

705
00:28:05,669 --> 00:28:03,840
um planes up on that night but they're

706
00:28:08,230 --> 00:28:05,679
actually just taking part

707
00:28:10,389 --> 00:28:08,240
um in an exercise

708
00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:10,399
um and that really caught the attention

709
00:28:13,190 --> 00:28:12,320
of the military excuse me of the media

710
00:28:14,710 --> 00:28:13,200
as well

711
00:28:16,950 --> 00:28:14,720
when they were like well hang on you

712
00:28:18,549 --> 00:28:16,960
know now there were aircraft up in the

713
00:28:21,029 --> 00:28:18,559
sky what's going on

714
00:28:22,149 --> 00:28:21,039
so it was for reasons like that

715
00:28:24,389 --> 00:28:22,159
that people

716
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:24,399
got interested and then rumors started

717
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:27,840
circulating that um like a scientific

718
00:28:33,269 --> 00:28:30,480
office within the united nations had

719
00:28:34,149 --> 00:28:33,279
been secretly briefed on the incident

720
00:28:38,230 --> 00:28:34,159
and

721
00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:38,240
determining the

722
00:28:42,710 --> 00:28:40,320
the reaction of the general public you

723
00:28:44,310 --> 00:28:42,720
know how they reacted to it and what

724
00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:44,320
their thoughts were as if they were

725
00:28:48,870 --> 00:28:46,720
looking from like a psychological

726
00:28:50,549 --> 00:28:48,880
perspective of you know one of the

727
00:28:52,389 --> 00:28:50,559
theories was that if they government

728
00:28:53,590 --> 00:28:52,399
ever needed to come clean on the ufo

729
00:28:54,470 --> 00:28:53,600
subject

730
00:28:56,149 --> 00:28:54,480
the

731
00:28:58,789 --> 00:28:56,159
stephenville case might be sort of a

732
00:29:01,350 --> 00:28:58,799
good litmus test if you like to

733
00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:01,360
understanding how the public might react

734
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:03,520
in the 21st century to

735
00:29:08,950 --> 00:29:06,000
you know the presence of a massive fleet

736
00:29:10,710 --> 00:29:08,960
of ufos or whatever

737
00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:10,720
um there's a question up on i've got a

738
00:29:13,909 --> 00:29:12,960
couple message boards going uh one on

739
00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:13,919
youtube

740
00:29:19,669 --> 00:29:17,200
and one on my regular uh home page and

741
00:29:22,389 --> 00:29:19,679
this question is after your rh negative

742
00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:22,399
book was published did you get contacted

743
00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:24,000
by readers who claim that they were

744
00:29:30,149 --> 00:29:27,600
abductees who are are h-negative

745
00:29:31,269 --> 00:29:30,159
or are there any stories i got literally

746
00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:31,279
um

747
00:29:39,269 --> 00:29:36,480
really wow enough most of the reports

748
00:29:41,830 --> 00:29:39,279
actually came through to my uh through

749
00:29:43,110 --> 00:29:41,840
through facebook message um

750
00:29:45,269 --> 00:29:43,120
and

751
00:29:47,669 --> 00:29:45,279
of of the people who came forward i

752
00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:47,679
would say i said low hundreds were the

753
00:29:50,710 --> 00:29:49,840
number of people who contacted me

754
00:29:52,789 --> 00:29:50,720
and

755
00:29:55,510 --> 00:29:52,799
the vast majority of those were people

756
00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:55,520
who were rh negative and had

757
00:30:01,269 --> 00:29:57,600
sort of profound ufo encounters like

758
00:30:03,990 --> 00:30:01,279
abductions or contact cases or

759
00:30:06,230 --> 00:30:04,000
like landings and things like that but

760
00:30:09,269 --> 00:30:06,240
the other smaller percentage who was

761
00:30:10,710 --> 00:30:09,279
still rh negative uh a number of them

762
00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:10,720
said that they hadn't had ufo

763
00:30:16,149 --> 00:30:13,600
experiences but from childhood they'd

764
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:16,159
felt sort of eerily drawn towards the

765
00:30:19,669 --> 00:30:18,480
subject for reasons they couldn't fully

766
00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:19,679
understand

767
00:30:27,269 --> 00:30:24,960
you know that to me was interesting

768
00:30:29,669 --> 00:30:27,279
because for a couple of reasons

769
00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:29,679
the people were rh negative and

770
00:30:35,350 --> 00:30:30,880
certainly

771
00:30:36,789 --> 00:30:35,360
200 responses within probably

772
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:36,799
two or three weeks of the book coming

773
00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:38,640
out was something that i'd never

774
00:30:43,669 --> 00:30:40,880
experienced before i mean

775
00:30:46,070 --> 00:30:43,679
you know i get feedback from readers

776
00:30:48,149 --> 00:30:46,080
obviously but you know not sort of two

777
00:30:50,950 --> 00:30:48,159
or three hundred you know in two or

778
00:30:53,110 --> 00:30:50,960
three weeks i get sort of maybe i mean

779
00:30:56,710 --> 00:30:53,120
like with my women in black book i think

780
00:30:58,789 --> 00:30:56,720
since that's come out i've got probably

781
00:31:00,149 --> 00:30:58,799
20 25

782
00:31:06,070 --> 00:31:00,159
new cases

783
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:06,080
the last um sort of

784
00:31:10,470 --> 00:31:07,919
six or seven months since the book came

785
00:31:11,430 --> 00:31:10,480
out or a little bit more i think it was

786
00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:11,440
um

787
00:31:16,389 --> 00:31:13,760
so you know that that was really you

788
00:31:18,149 --> 00:31:16,399
know a massive difference in terms with

789
00:31:19,269 --> 00:31:18,159
the bloodline of the gods book that the

790
00:31:21,990 --> 00:31:19,279
uh

791
00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:22,000
the person was talking about um

792
00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:25,120
in the in the uh chat room so um

793
00:31:29,350 --> 00:31:27,120
yeah that that was sort of um

794
00:31:31,110 --> 00:31:29,360
you know a bit of a

795
00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:31,120
you know for me it was an eye-opening

796
00:31:35,669 --> 00:31:32,880
thing you know the fact that um all

797
00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:35,679
these people were coming forward but uh

798
00:31:39,029 --> 00:31:37,679
you know i find it interesting that it

799
00:31:41,669 --> 00:31:39,039
sort of um

800
00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:41,679
really did sort of open the floodgates

801
00:31:46,149 --> 00:31:43,919
to all these rh negative people to come

802
00:31:48,070 --> 00:31:46,159
forward and you know talk about their

803
00:31:50,149 --> 00:31:48,080
encounters and what was particularly

804
00:31:52,710 --> 00:31:50,159
interesting you know when i talked about

805
00:31:56,070 --> 00:31:52,720
people having abduction encounters and

806
00:31:58,950 --> 00:31:56,080
contacts and landings there was barely a

807
00:32:00,789 --> 00:31:58,960
single case of like um oh i just saw a

808
00:32:02,789 --> 00:32:00,799
light in the sky you know that they were

809
00:32:06,149 --> 00:32:02,799
all sort of really

810
00:32:08,950 --> 00:32:06,159
intriguing ufo cases

811
00:32:10,789 --> 00:32:08,960
wow now when you you're telling you just

812
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:10,799
said that these people came forward with

813
00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:12,000
the

814
00:32:24,870 --> 00:32:22,640
and wondering if you

815
00:32:26,950 --> 00:32:24,880
had uh new cases can you talk about a

816
00:32:31,269 --> 00:32:26,960
couple of them that uh

817
00:32:34,149 --> 00:32:31,279
that uh when people contacted you

818
00:32:35,909 --> 00:32:34,159
oh yeah um well i mean one good example

819
00:32:38,070 --> 00:32:35,919
is a guy um

820
00:32:40,830 --> 00:32:38,080
who actually had an encounter uh with a

821
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:40,840
woman in black in the 1970s in a

822
00:32:48,549 --> 00:32:44,640
bookstore and this was in ohio and

823
00:32:50,710 --> 00:32:48,559
weirdly i've got quite a few reports of

824
00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:50,720
men and black and women in black turning

825
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:52,640
up in sort of old books

826
00:32:56,789 --> 00:32:54,000
bookstores

827
00:32:58,789 --> 00:32:56,799
and old libraries um there's some really

828
00:33:00,710 --> 00:32:58,799
creepy stories where

829
00:33:02,630 --> 00:33:00,720
the the people for example were sitting

830
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:02,640
in the library and

831
00:33:06,149 --> 00:33:04,320
this woman in black or manning black

832
00:33:08,789 --> 00:33:06,159
appeared and suddenly the entire library

833
00:33:10,230 --> 00:33:08,799
went quiet as if like in a vacuum and

834
00:33:12,549 --> 00:33:10,240
the people looked around and they

835
00:33:15,430 --> 00:33:12,559
couldn't see anybody else in the library

836
00:33:16,470 --> 00:33:15,440
it was almost like reality had briefly

837
00:33:19,350 --> 00:33:16,480
shifted

838
00:33:21,430 --> 00:33:19,360
and um so i've got a couple of new cases

839
00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:21,440
along those lines and

840
00:33:24,549 --> 00:33:23,760
this whole angle of many black women in

841
00:33:27,430 --> 00:33:24,559
black

842
00:33:29,430 --> 00:33:27,440
libraries and bookstores is sort of um

843
00:33:31,269 --> 00:33:29,440
one that really hasn't been

844
00:33:33,190 --> 00:33:31,279
sort of looked at too deeply because i

845
00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:33,200
think people have just not realized it

846
00:33:36,470 --> 00:33:35,440
is you know part of the phenomenon but

847
00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:36,480
um

848
00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:38,720
why that should be the case i don't know

849
00:33:42,870 --> 00:33:40,559
but they seem to be

850
00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:42,880
attracted to not just books but to our

851
00:33:47,509 --> 00:33:44,880
old books for some there's a whole

852
00:33:50,230 --> 00:33:47,519
reason um but i've got a couple of cases

853
00:33:52,149 --> 00:33:50,240
like that in the book of um

854
00:33:54,389 --> 00:33:52,159
the the women in black men in black

855
00:33:56,470 --> 00:33:54,399
turning up under those circumstances and

856
00:33:59,509 --> 00:33:56,480
more importantly you know in relation to

857
00:34:03,190 --> 00:33:59,519
the the question yeah i've got um

858
00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:03,200
several um new reports of women in black

859
00:34:07,269 --> 00:34:05,440
in association with them library

860
00:34:08,950 --> 00:34:07,279
sightings which um

861
00:34:10,629 --> 00:34:08,960
you know i'm still sort of scratching my

862
00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:10,639
head trying to figure out

863
00:34:15,349 --> 00:34:12,960
why there should be that connection but

864
00:34:16,710 --> 00:34:15,359
regardless of the why you know there is

865
00:34:19,030 --> 00:34:16,720
that connection

866
00:34:20,869 --> 00:34:19,040
right um that that

867
00:34:24,389 --> 00:34:20,879
so this happens when you write a book

868
00:34:27,669 --> 00:34:24,399
you you get contacted um by people that

869
00:34:30,069 --> 00:34:27,679
have news stories like related to that

870
00:34:33,829 --> 00:34:30,079
um it almost i bet that happens to a lot

871
00:34:35,829 --> 00:34:33,839
of authors that uh right along this line

872
00:34:38,310 --> 00:34:35,839
yeah i'm sure it happens to pretty much

873
00:34:40,550 --> 00:34:38,320
every author in ufology and related

874
00:34:42,149 --> 00:34:40,560
paranormal phenomena you know i mean i

875
00:34:43,349 --> 00:34:42,159
rarely if ever

876
00:34:45,829 --> 00:34:43,359
have gotten

877
00:34:46,950 --> 00:34:45,839
like a report of a haunted house i get

878
00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:46,960
very

879
00:34:53,589 --> 00:34:51,280
reports but i'm sure authors who write

880
00:34:55,829 --> 00:34:53,599
books on haunted houses and those who

881
00:34:57,670 --> 00:34:55,839
write books about crop circles get

882
00:34:59,990 --> 00:34:57,680
you know feedback in the same way i do

883
00:35:00,950 --> 00:35:00,000
so i think i think what often happens is

884
00:35:03,670 --> 00:35:00,960
that

885
00:35:05,829 --> 00:35:03,680
readers

886
00:35:08,069 --> 00:35:05,839
they read a book and maybe they've got

887
00:35:09,510 --> 00:35:08,079
an experience that's very similar you

888
00:35:11,190 --> 00:35:09,520
know obviously they feel prompted to

889
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:11,200
contact the author

890
00:35:15,109 --> 00:35:13,440
to share the information or hopefully

891
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:15,119
you know to get some answers as to what

892
00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:18,000
they saw but i think you know they

893
00:35:21,430 --> 00:35:19,920
and it's understandable again that they

894
00:35:23,109 --> 00:35:21,440
would pick out the author who's written

895
00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:23,119
about the subject

896
00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:26,160
that they were exposed to you know so

897
00:35:29,910 --> 00:35:27,280
that's why

898
00:35:31,829 --> 00:35:29,920
i don't get reports like a set of ghosts

899
00:35:33,349 --> 00:35:31,839
and hauntings because i don't really not

900
00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:33,359
really interested in that so don't write

901
00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:35,839
about it you know i write about

902
00:35:40,790 --> 00:35:37,760
women in black and things like that so

903
00:35:43,109 --> 00:35:40,800
people reply so uh you know it's nothing

904
00:35:46,390 --> 00:35:43,119
mysterious it's just down to sort of

905
00:35:49,349 --> 00:35:46,400
logic i guess really uh-huh um someone

906
00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:49,359
on the youtube chat wants me to ask you

907
00:35:53,589 --> 00:35:51,119
to explain your theory on the ufo

908
00:35:56,390 --> 00:35:53,599
phenomena nuts and bolts alternate

909
00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:56,400
dimensions universe spiritual what what

910
00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:58,640
do you what do you what do you think

911
00:36:01,829 --> 00:35:59,760
about

912
00:36:03,109 --> 00:36:01,839
um we always wonder i mean i've always

913
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:03,119
wondered

914
00:36:07,829 --> 00:36:05,680
what the heck is going on uh

915
00:36:09,910 --> 00:36:07,839
what are your thoughts

916
00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:09,920
well you know when i first got in

917
00:36:13,990 --> 00:36:11,280
interested in all this stuff you know i

918
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:14,000
was a kid i was about 11 10 11 12

919
00:36:19,109 --> 00:36:16,720
something like that and um you know when

920
00:36:21,190 --> 00:36:19,119
you that age everything's sort of black

921
00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:21,200
and white you know and for me

922
00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:23,520
bigfoot was a giant ape and loch ness

923
00:36:28,230 --> 00:36:26,160
monsters were surviving dinosaurs and

924
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:28,240
ufos with spaceships from other planets

925
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:30,240
coming here to

926
00:36:34,470 --> 00:36:31,440
you know sort of

927
00:36:37,990 --> 00:36:34,480
do experiments and fly around and keep a

928
00:36:39,829 --> 00:36:38,000
look on the on the population um but

929
00:36:42,790 --> 00:36:39,839
certainly by the time you know i got to

930
00:36:45,030 --> 00:36:42,800
my sort of mid late 20s something like

931
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:45,040
that you know i began to realize more

932
00:36:48,870 --> 00:36:46,240
and more that

933
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:48,880
there were certain aspects of the ufo

934
00:36:52,870 --> 00:36:50,640
phenomenon that

935
00:36:55,589 --> 00:36:52,880
clearly crossed paths with the worlds of

936
00:36:57,030 --> 00:36:55,599
the paranormal and the supernatural you

937
00:36:59,430 --> 00:36:57,040
know and um

938
00:37:01,190 --> 00:36:59,440
and i came to sort of accept that we're

939
00:37:04,630 --> 00:37:01,200
dealing with something that goes far

940
00:37:06,870 --> 00:37:04,640
beyond just nuts and bolts

941
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:06,880
aliens or somebody else's equivalent of

942
00:37:10,870 --> 00:37:08,400
nasa coming here

943
00:37:12,470 --> 00:37:10,880
you know when you find cases where as

944
00:37:14,790 --> 00:37:12,480
i've got a lot with the men and women in

945
00:37:16,150 --> 00:37:14,800
black where they've had the men in black

946
00:37:18,150 --> 00:37:16,160
and the women in black in their homes

947
00:37:20,069 --> 00:37:18,160
and shortly afterwards or in some cases

948
00:37:22,710 --> 00:37:20,079
immediately after they've left

949
00:37:25,270 --> 00:37:22,720
the person has experienced violent

950
00:37:28,390 --> 00:37:25,280
poltergeist activity in the home i've

951
00:37:31,990 --> 00:37:28,400
got quite a few reports of people who

952
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:32,000
um were visited um by the men in black

953
00:37:36,710 --> 00:37:34,720
after dabbling with ouija boards now

954
00:37:38,950 --> 00:37:36,720
none of that can kind of be

955
00:37:41,510 --> 00:37:38,960
explained just by you know somebody

956
00:37:43,589 --> 00:37:41,520
coming to the earth in metal spaceships

957
00:37:46,069 --> 00:37:43,599
it's it sort of suggests

958
00:37:47,829 --> 00:37:46,079
you know that these phenomena are also

959
00:37:51,510 --> 00:37:47,839
somehow interlinked

960
00:37:52,950 --> 00:37:51,520
so certainly since my late 20s early 30s

961
00:37:54,829 --> 00:37:52,960
you know um

962
00:37:57,510 --> 00:37:54,839
while i don't rule out an

963
00:38:00,069 --> 00:37:57,520
extraterrestrial origin and i think it's

964
00:38:01,589 --> 00:38:00,079
quite possible i'm sort of more inclined

965
00:38:04,150 --> 00:38:01,599
to think

966
00:38:05,589 --> 00:38:04,160
these things could be probably more

967
00:38:07,109 --> 00:38:05,599
coexisting with us you know

968
00:38:09,670 --> 00:38:07,119
multi-dimensional

969
00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:09,680
and the world of the paranormal as we

970
00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:12,240
call it or supernatural is somehow tied

971
00:38:15,430 --> 00:38:14,640
in with all this as well i remember in

972
00:38:21,829 --> 00:38:15,440
your

973
00:38:24,550 --> 00:38:21,839
new book about uh uh let's see it was a

974
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:24,560
chupacabra went into or out of one of

975
00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:27,599
the crafts that landed right

976
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:30,160
yeah i mean i've been to puerto rico on

977
00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:32,640
many occasions looking for the um the

978
00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:35,200
original uh chupacabra which was

979
00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:36,720
reported

980
00:38:44,310 --> 00:38:40,240
first in in puerto rico in 1995

981
00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:44,320
and um between 2004 and the most recent

982
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:47,440
time i went to puerto rico 2014

983
00:38:52,150 --> 00:38:49,280
um i said i've been there many times

984
00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:52,160
looking into accounts of chupacabra

985
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:54,240
and you know a lot of the reports are

986
00:38:58,870 --> 00:38:55,920
just where people have seen these

987
00:39:01,510 --> 00:38:58,880
creatures or you know their farmers

988
00:39:03,510 --> 00:39:01,520
whose animals were attacked by them or

989
00:39:06,150 --> 00:39:03,520
in some cases veterinarians and police

990
00:39:07,349 --> 00:39:06,160
officers who were involved in either

991
00:39:10,150 --> 00:39:07,359
recovering

992
00:39:11,670 --> 00:39:10,160
um you know farm animals killed by these

993
00:39:14,710 --> 00:39:11,680
creatures allegedly and then you know

994
00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:14,720
being autopsied and so on but every now

995
00:39:20,470 --> 00:39:16,800
and again a really weird story would

996
00:39:23,109 --> 00:39:20,480
surface where for example um someone

997
00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:23,119
would um see a chupacabra

998
00:39:28,550 --> 00:39:26,400
in the same location the same time frame

999
00:39:29,990 --> 00:39:28,560
as a ufo and yeah there's there's one

1000
00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:30,000
case in the book

1001
00:39:35,670 --> 00:39:33,359
where a woman saw this um chupacabra

1002
00:39:37,190 --> 00:39:35,680
which was described as like a walking on

1003
00:39:39,829 --> 00:39:37,200
two legs it was sort of like imagine

1004
00:39:42,630 --> 00:39:39,839
like a chimpanzee but hairless

1005
00:39:45,589 --> 00:39:42,640
and with a row of spikes down its head

1006
00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:45,599
and neck but the cut same kind of speed

1007
00:39:49,589 --> 00:39:46,560
build

1008
00:39:51,510 --> 00:39:49,599
and and stance of a chimpanzee you know

1009
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:51,520
which can be quite violent animals you

1010
00:39:56,230 --> 00:39:53,280
know when you if you

1011
00:39:58,310 --> 00:39:56,240
confront them um and that's how it was

1012
00:40:00,310 --> 00:39:58,320
described but

1013
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:00,320
instead of just sort of racing off into

1014
00:40:05,910 --> 00:40:03,119
the el yankee rainforest it actually

1015
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:05,920
sort of charged aboard this ufo which

1016
00:40:08,230 --> 00:40:07,440
shot into the sky

1017
00:40:10,230 --> 00:40:08,240
now

1018
00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:10,240
puerto rico does have a long history of

1019
00:40:15,990 --> 00:40:13,200
ufo activity and regardless of what

1020
00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:16,000
people think of the situation the fact

1021
00:40:20,710 --> 00:40:18,480
is that where a lot of the chupacabra

1022
00:40:23,270 --> 00:40:20,720
sightings have been made there have been

1023
00:40:25,270 --> 00:40:23,280
a lot of ufo activity such as

1024
00:40:28,230 --> 00:40:25,280
in the al yankee rainforest which is

1025
00:40:30,790 --> 00:40:28,240
this huge rainforest that dominates

1026
00:40:32,950 --> 00:40:30,800
puerto rico so although these stories

1027
00:40:34,630 --> 00:40:32,960
are controversial you know when you sit

1028
00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:34,640
down with people and you hear these

1029
00:40:38,950 --> 00:40:36,960
accounts and the you know they they see

1030
00:40:40,550 --> 00:40:38,960
they look you in the eye and just

1031
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:40,560
you know they just want answers as well

1032
00:40:46,150 --> 00:40:43,200
as we do um you know i have to say they

1033
00:40:50,710 --> 00:40:46,160
come across as very credible people just

1034
00:40:54,710 --> 00:40:52,950
well here's a uh we also get some

1035
00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:54,720
questions on our forum here and here's

1036
00:40:58,630 --> 00:40:56,880
one here out of all your research that

1037
00:41:01,430 --> 00:40:58,640
you've done over the years if you had to

1038
00:41:03,910 --> 00:41:01,440
pick one case to try and influence

1039
00:41:06,309 --> 00:41:03,920
skeptics in the scientific community

1040
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:06,319
that we are being visited which case

1041
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:08,960
would you choose that you feel would be

1042
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:11,440
the most compelling

1043
00:41:14,950 --> 00:41:12,960
um well that's actually a really good

1044
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:14,960
one um

1045
00:41:18,470 --> 00:41:17,040
i i get i'm not so much biased but i

1046
00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:18,480
think for me i would say the rendles

1047
00:41:21,990 --> 00:41:20,560
from forrest case not just because in

1048
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:22,000
england not just because i'm from

1049
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:23,760
england but because

1050
00:41:26,710 --> 00:41:25,200
living in england at the time it

1051
00:41:29,910 --> 00:41:26,720
happened i mean i was only a kid then in

1052
00:41:32,069 --> 00:41:29,920
1980 um so i wasn't researching then or

1053
00:41:33,589 --> 00:41:32,079
anything but because the uk is such a

1054
00:41:35,670 --> 00:41:33,599
small country

1055
00:41:37,510 --> 00:41:35,680
you know the story really when it was

1056
00:41:39,670 --> 00:41:37,520
released or surfaced

1057
00:41:41,349 --> 00:41:39,680
you know everybody in the country heard

1058
00:41:43,349 --> 00:41:41,359
it whether they were interested in ufos

1059
00:41:44,230 --> 00:41:43,359
or not and so when i got involved in the

1060
00:41:46,870 --> 00:41:44,240
case

1061
00:41:49,990 --> 00:41:46,880
and investigating it you know i came to

1062
00:41:52,309 --> 00:41:50,000
realize that this wasn't an event which

1063
00:41:54,550 --> 00:41:52,319
occurred in december 1980 in woods just

1064
00:41:57,190 --> 00:41:54,560
outside a military military base on the

1065
00:41:58,390 --> 00:41:57,200
east coast of england this wasn't just a

1066
00:42:00,150 --> 00:41:58,400
excuse me

1067
00:42:02,710 --> 00:42:00,160
a case involving

1068
00:42:04,309 --> 00:42:02,720
you know two or three witnesses but you

1069
00:42:06,870 --> 00:42:04,319
know you had dozens of military

1070
00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:06,880
personnel out in the woods

1071
00:42:11,270 --> 00:42:08,640
seeing this object that was described as

1072
00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:11,280
like a triangle pyramid shape type

1073
00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:13,520
object there were reports of strange

1074
00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:16,400
creatures seen in the woods missing time

1075
00:42:21,589 --> 00:42:18,480
uh interrogations by military

1076
00:42:22,390 --> 00:42:21,599
intelligence denials by the government

1077
00:42:23,670 --> 00:42:22,400
and

1078
00:42:24,790 --> 00:42:23,680
you know when you put all of this

1079
00:42:27,349 --> 00:42:24,800
together

1080
00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:27,359
um to me for me at least you know

1081
00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:29,760
randall shermy's is one of the standout

1082
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:30,960
ones now

1083
00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:32,640
you know the same could be said about

1084
00:42:36,150 --> 00:42:34,480
roswell but the reason why i sort of

1085
00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:36,160
lean more towards

1086
00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:38,400
rendelsham is because you know roswell

1087
00:42:42,309 --> 00:42:41,280
this year is 70 years old so in other

1088
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:42,319
words

1089
00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:44,640
there's really nobody left now that we

1090
00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:46,960
can speak to to continue the

1091
00:42:51,670 --> 00:42:48,880
investigation investigation we've kind

1092
00:42:53,829 --> 00:42:51,680
of almost hit a brick wall now with

1093
00:42:55,829 --> 00:42:53,839
rendelsham a lot of the guys when this

1094
00:42:58,150 --> 00:42:55,839
happened in 1980 they were only sort of

1095
00:43:00,069 --> 00:42:58,160
like 19 or 20. so they're only in the

1096
00:43:03,670 --> 00:43:00,079
mid 50s now you know so we've got

1097
00:43:08,069 --> 00:43:03,680
another potential 25 years you know

1098
00:43:10,390 --> 00:43:08,079
before these guys get up high in age um

1099
00:43:13,589 --> 00:43:10,400
to you know another 25 years to continue

1100
00:43:15,910 --> 00:43:13,599
speaking with all the original witnesses

1101
00:43:16,870 --> 00:43:15,920
and so that's why i think it's important

1102
00:43:20,069 --> 00:43:16,880
because

1103
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:20,079
we can still continue to investigate

1104
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:23,119
that case with the witnesses roswell

1105
00:43:27,430 --> 00:43:25,200
it's becoming tougher and tougher to do

1106
00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:27,440
that when pretty much everybody's gone i

1107
00:43:31,510 --> 00:43:29,200
mean if you think about it if you had a

1108
00:43:35,109 --> 00:43:31,520
guard out at the roswell crash site in

1109
00:43:36,790 --> 00:43:35,119
1947 and they were 20 they'd be 90 now

1110
00:43:38,470 --> 00:43:36,800
that's how long ago

1111
00:43:39,270 --> 00:43:38,480
roswell was when you think about it like

1112
00:43:41,589 --> 00:43:39,280
that

1113
00:43:43,829 --> 00:43:41,599
so when everybody's gone

1114
00:43:46,150 --> 00:43:43,839
in relation to roswell yes it's an

1115
00:43:49,030 --> 00:43:46,160
important case but how do we take it

1116
00:43:51,109 --> 00:43:49,040
further and i think that's the problem

1117
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:51,119
with roswell it one day it'll be

1118
00:43:55,109 --> 00:43:52,960
rendlesham's problem but the important

1119
00:43:58,230 --> 00:43:55,119
thing is that right now it isn't and it

1120
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:58,240
shouldn't be you know for the next 25 30

1121
00:44:02,150 --> 00:44:00,240
years or whatever i think i mentioned

1122
00:44:04,150 --> 00:44:02,160
this on someone else's show i hope i

1123
00:44:05,190 --> 00:44:04,160
didn't say it last week on this show but

1124
00:44:07,670 --> 00:44:05,200
um

1125
00:44:09,109 --> 00:44:07,680
where do you think roswell will be like

1126
00:44:10,230 --> 00:44:09,119
to say if there's

1127
00:44:13,829 --> 00:44:10,240
if we

1128
00:44:16,309 --> 00:44:13,839
have proof

1129
00:44:18,390 --> 00:44:16,319
that uh we are being visited by

1130
00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:18,400
extraterrestrial or whatever

1131
00:44:21,990 --> 00:44:20,160
where would you think uh

1132
00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:22,000
roswell will end up do you think it'll

1133
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:23,280
be just like a

1134
00:44:28,230 --> 00:44:26,160
a mythology like

1135
00:44:30,390 --> 00:44:28,240
or or what

1136
00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:30,400
well i hate to say this i don't mean it

1137
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:32,880
to be defeatist i'm just trying to take

1138
00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:34,319
a look at it from a realistic

1139
00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:36,720
perspective you know if

1140
00:44:40,550 --> 00:44:38,960
every you know 10 years from now even

1141
00:44:41,589 --> 00:44:40,560
the second hand witnesses like the

1142
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:41,599
children

1143
00:44:44,710 --> 00:44:42,960
are going to be dead you know there's

1144
00:44:47,109 --> 00:44:44,720
not going to be anybody probably left at

1145
00:44:49,030 --> 00:44:47,119
all 10 years from now

1146
00:44:51,109 --> 00:44:49,040
who was at the site or even like i said

1147
00:44:51,910 --> 00:44:51,119
the second hand witnesses as well

1148
00:44:54,470 --> 00:44:51,920
so

1149
00:44:56,230 --> 00:44:54,480
the only other chances then of roswell

1150
00:44:58,950 --> 00:44:56,240
coming out would be

1151
00:45:01,109 --> 00:44:58,960
if the government's disclosed

1152
00:45:03,349 --> 00:45:01,119
and i've got to be honest i'm not a big

1153
00:45:05,349 --> 00:45:03,359
fan of disclosure you know i'm tired of

1154
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:05,359
that sort of hearing every other year or

1155
00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:07,520
every year oh it's coming next year it's

1156
00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:09,119
coming next year it's coming in the next

1157
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:11,119
administration it's like well give me a

1158
00:45:16,390 --> 00:45:13,680
break you know either put up or shut the

1159
00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:16,400
hell up you know um i don't want to keep

1160
00:45:20,710 --> 00:45:18,160
hearing you parroting every year that

1161
00:45:22,790 --> 00:45:20,720
disclosure's coming either show us or

1162
00:45:23,750 --> 00:45:22,800
don't shut up and go away

1163
00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:23,760
um

1164
00:45:32,069 --> 00:45:30,000
i think there's two other ways

1165
00:45:34,309 --> 00:45:32,079
the truth of roswell could come out one

1166
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:34,319
would be if something was

1167
00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:36,720
declassified by accidents

1168
00:45:40,150 --> 00:45:38,160
which i don't think there's much of a

1169
00:45:43,349 --> 00:45:40,160
chance of happening but you know things

1170
00:45:45,750 --> 00:45:43,359
like that do happen occasionally um and

1171
00:45:48,309 --> 00:45:45,760
the other way would be if there was kind

1172
00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:48,319
of what i would call like a ufological

1173
00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:51,520
edward snowden you know who in the same

1174
00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:53,440
way snowed and you know leaked all these

1175
00:45:58,630 --> 00:45:55,920
documents and stories etc

1176
00:46:00,230 --> 00:45:58,640
if somebody did the same with roswell

1177
00:46:02,470 --> 00:46:00,240
but i think the important thing to

1178
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:02,480
remember is that a lot of people forget

1179
00:46:06,710 --> 00:46:05,040
this is that roswell happened in 47 this

1180
00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:06,720
was pre-internet

1181
00:46:10,710 --> 00:46:07,680
um

1182
00:46:13,990 --> 00:46:10,720
and at an age when a staging in you know

1183
00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:14,000
in our history when everything was put

1184
00:46:19,270 --> 00:46:16,560
down on paper it may well be that the

1185
00:46:22,870 --> 00:46:19,280
reason why the roswell secret is so well

1186
00:46:25,990 --> 00:46:22,880
kept is because what is being hidden is

1187
00:46:27,270 --> 00:46:26,000
not masses of computer files that the

1188
00:46:29,750 --> 00:46:27,280
government has to worry about somebody

1189
00:46:30,790 --> 00:46:29,760
hacking into it could just be file you

1190
00:46:33,030 --> 00:46:30,800
know

1191
00:46:34,870 --> 00:46:33,040
filing cabinets upon filing cabinets of

1192
00:46:36,550 --> 00:46:34,880
all the old files from the 40s and the

1193
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:36,560
50s on roswell

1194
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:38,560
which no one has to worry about because

1195
00:46:43,030 --> 00:46:40,560
they're protected and guarded and how do

1196
00:46:45,190 --> 00:46:43,040
you hack a piece of paper well you don't

1197
00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:45,200
you know so it could be that everything

1198
00:46:50,309 --> 00:46:47,440
is just stored away

1199
00:46:53,589 --> 00:46:50,319
and in sort of an impenetrable vault 50

1200
00:46:54,630 --> 00:46:53,599
feet underground that's guarded 24 7 and

1201
00:46:57,589 --> 00:46:54,640
which

1202
00:47:01,190 --> 00:46:57,599
is not computerized in any way in that

1203
00:47:04,069 --> 00:47:01,200
sense i hate to admit it but the secret

1204
00:47:05,750 --> 00:47:04,079
could be very easily kept if that's

1205
00:47:07,349 --> 00:47:05,760
the situation you know you imagine

1206
00:47:10,870 --> 00:47:07,359
hypothetically there's this bunker

1207
00:47:13,430 --> 00:47:10,880
underground say 200 feet by 200 feet and

1208
00:47:15,349 --> 00:47:13,440
it contains you know all the files that

1209
00:47:17,270 --> 00:47:15,359
were put together years ago trying to

1210
00:47:19,030 --> 00:47:17,280
figure out what was going on and autopsy

1211
00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:19,040
reports but it's all in paper form

1212
00:47:22,710 --> 00:47:20,160
because you know that's when everything

1213
00:47:24,790 --> 00:47:22,720
went down and let's say the wreckage is

1214
00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:24,800
stored there and the bodies are

1215
00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:26,960
preserved in you know cryogenically in

1216
00:47:29,510 --> 00:47:28,000
tanks

1217
00:47:30,549 --> 00:47:29,520
um

1218
00:47:32,309 --> 00:47:30,559
you know there's

1219
00:47:36,309 --> 00:47:32,319
that could actually be well hidden

1220
00:47:38,549 --> 00:47:36,319
forever so the pro the possibility is

1221
00:47:39,750 --> 00:47:38,559
that you know 100 years from now 50

1222
00:47:41,910 --> 00:47:39,760
years from now

1223
00:47:44,069 --> 00:47:41,920
um roswell could be like

1224
00:47:46,309 --> 00:47:44,079
an american version of britain's jack

1225
00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:46,319
the ripper where you've got this old

1226
00:47:52,150 --> 00:47:49,200
mystery filled with lots of intrigue

1227
00:47:54,150 --> 00:47:52,160
lots of characters and witnesses and

1228
00:47:56,150 --> 00:47:54,160
numerous different theories

1229
00:47:58,230 --> 00:47:56,160
but it's so long ago

1230
00:48:01,109 --> 00:47:58,240
that it's in that stage where no matter

1231
00:48:03,670 --> 00:48:01,119
what people say what no matter what new

1232
00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:03,680
theories come along or data you can

1233
00:48:07,829 --> 00:48:06,240
never prove it because it's so long ago

1234
00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:07,839
and the evidence

1235
00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:10,800
we don't have it you know so right right

1236
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:12,960
i think they just it was just something

1237
00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:14,640
last year on jack the ripper like they

1238
00:48:18,549 --> 00:48:16,000
think they have it

1239
00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:18,559
solved finally but uh that's probably

1240
00:48:22,630 --> 00:48:20,960
just another another turn turn in the

1241
00:48:24,549 --> 00:48:22,640
road um

1242
00:48:26,870 --> 00:48:24,559
on the youtube chat room someone wants

1243
00:48:29,190 --> 00:48:26,880
to know what part of ufology would you

1244
00:48:30,710 --> 00:48:29,200
prefer just go away is there a subject

1245
00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:30,720
in the field that

1246
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:33,119
you can't get behind and you think is

1247
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:35,040
rubbish

1248
00:48:38,630 --> 00:48:36,720
um

1249
00:48:39,420 --> 00:48:38,640
you could say no an english person using

1250
00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:39,430
the word rubbish

1251
00:48:48,309 --> 00:48:43,760
[Laughter]

1252
00:48:53,109 --> 00:48:51,670
i don't know really i mean um

1253
00:48:55,349 --> 00:48:53,119
i think

1254
00:48:58,390 --> 00:48:55,359
you know to a degree most aspects of the

1255
00:49:01,910 --> 00:48:58,400
ufo phenomenon have validity to them

1256
00:49:03,430 --> 00:49:01,920
it's just a matter of finding um

1257
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:03,440
evidence you know

1258
00:49:06,390 --> 00:49:04,800
um

1259
00:49:08,150 --> 00:49:06,400
i don't know if there's any that i wish

1260
00:49:10,790 --> 00:49:08,160
would go away but there are certainly

1261
00:49:12,549 --> 00:49:10,800
some that are more interested in and

1262
00:49:14,790 --> 00:49:12,559
then and less interested in others i

1263
00:49:16,549 --> 00:49:14,800
mean for example you know stuff like the

1264
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:16,559
men in black and the women in black all

1265
00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:18,240
that kind of stuff like the black-eyed

1266
00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:20,480
children and you know the shadow people

1267
00:49:25,430 --> 00:49:22,720
that sort of stuff really interests me

1268
00:49:27,349 --> 00:49:25,440
and roswell interests me a lot as well

1269
00:49:31,589 --> 00:49:27,359
and and i'm very interested as well in

1270
00:49:34,069 --> 00:49:31,599
the the contact t movement of the 1950s

1271
00:49:36,470 --> 00:49:34,079
but you know sort of one of the things

1272
00:49:37,990 --> 00:49:36,480
that really doesn't interest me and not

1273
00:49:39,750 --> 00:49:38,000
because i don't believe it's not a valid

1274
00:49:41,589 --> 00:49:39,760
phenomenon i think it is

1275
00:49:44,710 --> 00:49:41,599
it's the reports of like you know the

1276
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:44,720
black flying triangles um

1277
00:49:47,990 --> 00:49:46,240
you know

1278
00:49:50,150 --> 00:49:48,000
i mean it's an interesting phenomenon in

1279
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:50,160
the sense that they're flying around and

1280
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:51,839
there's a lot of debate as to what they

1281
00:49:55,349 --> 00:49:53,440
are you know are they military craft are

1282
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:55,359
they alien spacecraft

1283
00:50:00,390 --> 00:49:58,800
but you know when you read report after

1284
00:50:02,549 --> 00:50:00,400
report of another flying triangle

1285
00:50:04,710 --> 00:50:02,559
another flying triangle i'm kind of like

1286
00:50:07,270 --> 00:50:04,720
okay we know it's a real phenomenon

1287
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:07,280
we've got statistical reports going back

1288
00:50:11,670 --> 00:50:09,680
you know a couple of decades

1289
00:50:13,750 --> 00:50:11,680
i don't need to read any more reports of

1290
00:50:14,790 --> 00:50:13,760
a black triangle what i need

1291
00:50:16,390 --> 00:50:14,800
is

1292
00:50:17,990 --> 00:50:16,400
let's take it to the next step let's try

1293
00:50:20,390 --> 00:50:18,000
and find out what they are where they're

1294
00:50:24,309 --> 00:50:20,400
coming from and make that the thrust of

1295
00:50:27,430 --> 00:50:24,319
it so um i think sometimes ufology

1296
00:50:29,910 --> 00:50:27,440
relies on um

1297
00:50:32,630 --> 00:50:29,920
you know the number of reports

1298
00:50:34,309 --> 00:50:32,640
has been the credible part of the story

1299
00:50:35,990 --> 00:50:34,319
you know the more reports that adds to

1300
00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:36,000
our credibility well now it actually

1301
00:50:40,549 --> 00:50:38,400
doesn't what adds to our credibility

1302
00:50:42,470 --> 00:50:40,559
is solving the phenomenon

1303
00:50:43,510 --> 00:50:42,480
you know so um

1304
00:50:45,270 --> 00:50:43,520
i think

1305
00:50:47,510 --> 00:50:45,280
yeah it's good to have a lot of reports

1306
00:50:49,750 --> 00:50:47,520
and statistics and things like that

1307
00:50:52,950 --> 00:50:49,760
but there's a point where we have enough

1308
00:50:53,750 --> 00:50:52,960
material to make a case the next step is

1309
00:51:00,470 --> 00:50:53,760
to

1310
00:51:01,109 --> 00:51:00,480
i've had a few on the show in the past

1311
00:51:02,870 --> 00:51:01,119
and

1312
00:51:04,150 --> 00:51:02,880
uh you know i've asked them a question

1313
00:51:07,349 --> 00:51:04,160
what type of

1314
00:51:10,230 --> 00:51:07,359
proof would you actually need and they

1315
00:51:12,309 --> 00:51:10,240
that the answers i get are always the

1316
00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:12,319
same you know physical evidence

1317
00:51:17,030 --> 00:51:15,119
something they can you know research and

1318
00:51:19,990 --> 00:51:17,040
you know hold in their hands type of

1319
00:51:23,030 --> 00:51:20,000
thing i remember um uh seth shawstack

1320
00:51:25,990 --> 00:51:23,040
from seti said he would need a a wing in

1321
00:51:28,470 --> 00:51:26,000
the smithsonian with uh ufo parts in it

1322
00:51:30,790 --> 00:51:28,480
before he'd believe in it

1323
00:51:32,470 --> 00:51:30,800
so well you know i mean i understand

1324
00:51:36,630 --> 00:51:32,480
sort of the need for

1325
00:51:38,790 --> 00:51:36,640
evidence but you know sometimes um

1326
00:51:40,710 --> 00:51:38,800
the body of data

1327
00:51:43,349 --> 00:51:40,720
is certain if not proof it's definitely

1328
00:51:45,829 --> 00:51:43,359
sort of persuasive i mean you know there

1329
00:51:47,589 --> 00:51:45,839
are examples where people have been

1330
00:51:48,470 --> 00:51:47,599
found guilty of murder when there's no

1331
00:51:50,710 --> 00:51:48,480
body

1332
00:51:52,549 --> 00:51:50,720
you know um

1333
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:52,559
millions well billions of people not

1334
00:51:56,870 --> 00:51:54,240
millions millions of people billions of

1335
00:51:58,870 --> 00:51:56,880
people you know believe in a god you

1336
00:52:01,589 --> 00:51:58,880
know and i'm sort of open-minded on the

1337
00:52:02,470 --> 00:52:01,599
whole phenomenon of of that as to what

1338
00:52:06,390 --> 00:52:02,480
you know

1339
00:52:08,790 --> 00:52:06,400
i don't mean this

1340
00:52:10,950 --> 00:52:08,800
with disrespect i mean it just as a fact

1341
00:52:13,190 --> 00:52:10,960
um you know billions of people believe

1342
00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:13,200
in the existence of a god

1343
00:52:17,589 --> 00:52:15,920
on belief alone you know and there's

1344
00:52:19,589 --> 00:52:17,599
nothing wrong with that you know i don't

1345
00:52:22,150 --> 00:52:19,599
have a problem with people who have

1346
00:52:24,069 --> 00:52:22,160
faith or anything like that at all but

1347
00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:24,079
you know i think

1348
00:52:30,150 --> 00:52:27,839
you can't criticize ufology for

1349
00:52:33,030 --> 00:52:30,160
believing the accounts and believing the

1350
00:52:35,190 --> 00:52:33,040
statistics when somebody else believes

1351
00:52:38,470 --> 00:52:35,200
you know that when they die some part of

1352
00:52:41,510 --> 00:52:38,480
the body continues you know um

1353
00:52:42,950 --> 00:52:41,520
so i think in that sense um

1354
00:52:44,630 --> 00:52:42,960
if we're going to be criticized for

1355
00:52:46,390 --> 00:52:44,640
believing in things

1356
00:52:47,430 --> 00:52:46,400
then that should

1357
00:52:50,150 --> 00:52:47,440
um

1358
00:52:52,950 --> 00:52:50,160
apply across the board or it shouldn't

1359
00:52:54,950 --> 00:52:52,960
apply at all you know i think with the

1360
00:52:57,430 --> 00:52:54,960
flying triangles do we have a flying

1361
00:53:00,309 --> 00:52:57,440
triangle in hand no we don't

1362
00:53:01,910 --> 00:53:00,319
can we make a persuasive case that

1363
00:53:04,710 --> 00:53:01,920
allows us to believe these things are

1364
00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:04,720
real yes we can because of you know we

1365
00:53:09,270 --> 00:53:07,200
have a few photographs and we have

1366
00:53:11,589 --> 00:53:09,280
highly credible testimony from military

1367
00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:11,599
personnel so um

1368
00:53:16,870 --> 00:53:14,880
in that sense you know um belief you

1369
00:53:19,349 --> 00:53:16,880
know becomes sort of a blurry line

1370
00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:21,030
now uh

1371
00:53:25,190 --> 00:53:22,000
about

1372
00:53:26,230 --> 00:53:25,200
the the triangles uh are you saying that

1373
00:53:28,390 --> 00:53:26,240
uh

1374
00:53:30,470 --> 00:53:28,400
that you just have heard way too many

1375
00:53:32,790 --> 00:53:30,480
cases or do you think

1376
00:53:34,390 --> 00:53:32,800
um are your thoughts on that as uh a lot

1377
00:53:36,549 --> 00:53:34,400
of people will say they think it's

1378
00:53:38,549 --> 00:53:36,559
probably like a military type of

1379
00:53:40,710 --> 00:53:38,559
situation well

1380
00:53:42,790 --> 00:53:40,720
yeah well i mean i i would say i've got

1381
00:53:44,470 --> 00:53:42,800
i've heard enough not because i'm

1382
00:53:46,470 --> 00:53:44,480
getting you know i just can't be

1383
00:53:48,630 --> 00:53:46,480
bothered to listen it's not that it's

1384
00:53:50,549 --> 00:53:48,640
just that we have so many

1385
00:53:52,790 --> 00:53:50,559
that we've made the case

1386
00:53:54,630 --> 00:53:52,800
that these things are real they clearly

1387
00:53:56,790 --> 00:53:54,640
are because you know the witnesses have

1388
00:53:58,390 --> 00:53:56,800
been sort of good enough to come forward

1389
00:53:59,990 --> 00:53:58,400
and share their experiences so we know

1390
00:54:02,470 --> 00:54:00,000
they're real

1391
00:54:05,829 --> 00:54:02,480
what where i look at it is

1392
00:54:08,069 --> 00:54:05,839
we just don't need to keep

1393
00:54:11,109 --> 00:54:08,079
adding to the statistics because that

1394
00:54:13,589 --> 00:54:11,119
takes time away from investigating the

1395
00:54:15,670 --> 00:54:13,599
phenomenon more you know if we've got 2

1396
00:54:18,309 --> 00:54:15,680
000 reports of flying

1397
00:54:20,950 --> 00:54:18,319
triangles in the last 10 years say

1398
00:54:22,470 --> 00:54:20,960
um you know we could have another 10 2

1399
00:54:24,790 --> 00:54:22,480
000 in another couple of years and

1400
00:54:25,829 --> 00:54:24,800
another two half thousand after that

1401
00:54:28,470 --> 00:54:25,839
but

1402
00:54:30,870 --> 00:54:28,480
that will just give us more reports

1403
00:54:32,950 --> 00:54:30,880
what we need to do is

1404
00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:32,960
try and find that you know what i would

1405
00:54:37,270 --> 00:54:35,280
do if i was investigating flying tribes

1406
00:54:39,430 --> 00:54:37,280
is to look at patterns of

1407
00:54:42,069 --> 00:54:39,440
geographical distribution

1408
00:54:44,230 --> 00:54:42,079
how many are seen near military bases

1409
00:54:45,589 --> 00:54:44,240
how many are seen by where it's

1410
00:54:48,069 --> 00:54:45,599
suspected there are underground

1411
00:54:51,030 --> 00:54:48,079
installations which might point in the

1412
00:54:52,630 --> 00:54:51,040
direction of a military craft

1413
00:54:54,470 --> 00:54:52,640
have they been reported outside the

1414
00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:54,480
earth's atmosphere which suggests they

1415
00:54:58,309 --> 00:54:56,880
might be from somewhere else i think we

1416
00:54:59,910 --> 00:54:58,319
need to sort of

1417
00:55:01,430 --> 00:54:59,920
what i try and do very often with

1418
00:55:03,829 --> 00:55:01,440
investigation you sort of take an

1419
00:55:05,349 --> 00:55:03,839
alternative approach because

1420
00:55:06,470 --> 00:55:05,359
you know we're dealing with alternative

1421
00:55:07,670 --> 00:55:06,480
phenomena

1422
00:55:09,750 --> 00:55:07,680
and so

1423
00:55:10,549 --> 00:55:09,760
look in directions and ask questions

1424
00:55:13,030 --> 00:55:10,559
that

1425
00:55:15,589 --> 00:55:13,040
aren't necessarily the ones you might

1426
00:55:17,589 --> 00:55:15,599
ask you know look at um

1427
00:55:19,349 --> 00:55:17,599
we need to it's such a weird subject we

1428
00:55:21,589 --> 00:55:19,359
need to think outside the box you know

1429
00:55:23,829 --> 00:55:21,599
it's sometimes not enough just to try

1430
00:55:25,829 --> 00:55:23,839
and make a case by saying well

1431
00:55:28,069 --> 00:55:25,839
i've got 300 reports

1432
00:55:30,069 --> 00:55:28,079
of this particular phenomenon

1433
00:55:31,670 --> 00:55:30,079
that's the case made well it isn't it

1434
00:55:32,789 --> 00:55:31,680
just means you've got 300 cases so

1435
00:55:34,870 --> 00:55:32,799
that's that's what i mean about the

1436
00:55:37,190 --> 00:55:34,880
flying triangles it's not

1437
00:55:38,069 --> 00:55:37,200
i hate the phenomenon or anything like

1438
00:55:41,990 --> 00:55:38,079
that

1439
00:55:43,990 --> 00:55:42,000
i think now we need to sort of go in

1440
00:55:46,950 --> 00:55:44,000
another direction with it which might

1441
00:55:50,150 --> 00:55:46,960
lead to answers rather than just more

1442
00:55:51,670 --> 00:55:50,160
filled up filing cabinets thumb drives

1443
00:55:53,670 --> 00:55:51,680
you know or whatever

1444
00:55:55,990 --> 00:55:53,680
now what do you think about um the ufo

1445
00:55:57,670 --> 00:55:56,000
detections out there there's a couple of

1446
00:55:59,750 --> 00:55:57,680
people working on them one of them is

1447
00:56:01,109 --> 00:55:59,760
cubesat i'm not sure what's going on

1448
00:56:04,069 --> 00:56:01,119
with that then there's

1449
00:56:07,190 --> 00:56:04,079
talk and then there's uh the one let's

1450
00:56:10,069 --> 00:56:07,200
see it's on my website um

1451
00:56:11,510 --> 00:56:10,079
ufo data

1452
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:11,520
do you think they're yeah that's a good

1453
00:56:15,270 --> 00:56:14,400
idea that they're looking to get

1454
00:56:17,430 --> 00:56:15,280
some

1455
00:56:20,470 --> 00:56:17,440
hard data

1456
00:56:22,789 --> 00:56:20,480
yeah i mean if you know if if it works

1457
00:56:25,670 --> 00:56:22,799
and it proves to work again and again

1458
00:56:26,470 --> 00:56:25,680
and again then you know i'm all for it i

1459
00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:26,480
think

1460
00:56:31,190 --> 00:56:29,040
you know we need to sort of find

1461
00:56:33,270 --> 00:56:31,200
new ways to investigate the subject

1462
00:56:35,829 --> 00:56:33,280
because for all the work that's been

1463
00:56:37,430 --> 00:56:35,839
done in the last 70 years

1464
00:56:39,589 --> 00:56:37,440
we're still really kind of scratching

1465
00:56:41,589 --> 00:56:39,599
our heads wondering what on earth going

1466
00:56:44,870 --> 00:56:41,599
on where these things are from

1467
00:56:47,750 --> 00:56:44,880
so again you know any any alternative

1468
00:56:50,630 --> 00:56:47,760
way that might provide us you know ever

1469
00:56:52,789 --> 00:56:50,640
you know through detection um where

1470
00:56:54,789 --> 00:56:52,799
maybe even we could anticipate where a

1471
00:56:57,349 --> 00:56:54,799
ufo might turn up that kind of thing if

1472
00:56:59,670 --> 00:56:57,359
that you know for detecting them

1473
00:57:01,510 --> 00:56:59,680
uncover some kind of pattern

1474
00:57:03,990 --> 00:57:01,520
maybe that would sort of open even more

1475
00:57:05,589 --> 00:57:04,000
doors so i'm all for sort of looking

1476
00:57:07,270 --> 00:57:05,599
you know outside of the box when it

1477
00:57:09,670 --> 00:57:07,280
comes to

1478
00:57:12,789 --> 00:57:09,680
trying to get answers and trying to get

1479
00:57:14,150 --> 00:57:12,799
data and information um

1480
00:57:16,069 --> 00:57:14,160
but

1481
00:57:17,990 --> 00:57:16,079
you know let's see the evidence you know

1482
00:57:19,510 --> 00:57:18,000
let's see what you come up with and then

1483
00:57:21,589 --> 00:57:19,520
hopefully you know we can take you to

1484
00:57:23,589 --> 00:57:21,599
that next stage i think

1485
00:57:26,630 --> 00:57:23,599
you know the idea of just going out on a

1486
00:57:29,829 --> 00:57:26,640
hill at midnight you know as people used

1487
00:57:31,910 --> 00:57:29,839
to do you know decades ago

1488
00:57:33,990 --> 00:57:31,920
hoping ufos are going to come down

1489
00:57:35,109 --> 00:57:34,000
that i don't think you know sort of

1490
00:57:37,750 --> 00:57:35,119
really

1491
00:57:39,589 --> 00:57:37,760
cuts it for me um i think we just need

1492
00:57:41,510 --> 00:57:39,599
to be sort of more

1493
00:57:44,069 --> 00:57:41,520
proactive

1494
00:57:46,470 --> 00:57:44,079
in finding new ways to sort of solve the

1495
00:57:48,470 --> 00:57:46,480
mystery because the old ways have only

1496
00:57:51,030 --> 00:57:48,480
took us so far really

1497
00:57:53,829 --> 00:57:51,040
i know it's uh like you just mentioned

1498
00:57:54,549 --> 00:57:53,839
70 years later here we are and um there

1499
00:57:56,870 --> 00:57:54,559
were

1500
00:57:58,150 --> 00:57:56,880
people that wrote books

1501
00:58:00,390 --> 00:57:58,160
that um

1502
00:58:01,829 --> 00:58:00,400
back in the 1950s they were saying you

1503
00:58:03,589 --> 00:58:01,839
know i just hope this is solved in my

1504
00:58:05,990 --> 00:58:03,599
lifetime they're long gone

1505
00:58:09,190 --> 00:58:06,000
you know and uh i think you know that

1506
00:58:11,349 --> 00:58:09,200
that chant is still ongoing um in the

1507
00:58:12,789 --> 00:58:11,359
youtube message board

1508
00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:12,799
the guy wanted

1509
00:58:18,230 --> 00:58:14,640
you to know that he's not a bloody

1510
00:58:19,670 --> 00:58:18,240
englishman with a big smiley face um

1511
00:58:21,589 --> 00:58:19,680
and uh well he did

1512
00:58:23,589 --> 00:58:21,599
rubbish yes he did

1513
00:58:25,030 --> 00:58:23,599
and uh he wanted to know how about if we

1514
00:58:27,270 --> 00:58:25,040
find life

1515
00:58:30,150 --> 00:58:27,280
in a faraway galaxy

1516
00:58:31,670 --> 00:58:30,160
uh would that change any of uh any of

1517
00:58:32,789 --> 00:58:31,680
your views or would that do you think

1518
00:58:35,109 --> 00:58:32,799
that would change

1519
00:58:37,670 --> 00:58:35,119
uh views in general about us being

1520
00:58:39,670 --> 00:58:37,680
visited by extraterrestrial

1521
00:58:40,950 --> 00:58:39,680
so what was the first part you said i

1522
00:58:42,870 --> 00:58:40,960
missed a bit about just before the

1523
00:58:44,309 --> 00:58:42,880
galaxy what did you say uh what what

1524
00:58:46,710 --> 00:58:44,319
happens if uh

1525
00:58:48,390 --> 00:58:46,720
what would your view be if i can't find

1526
00:58:51,109 --> 00:58:48,400
it right now but what would your view be

1527
00:58:53,030 --> 00:58:51,119
if they've uh life was found in distant

1528
00:58:55,270 --> 00:58:53,040
galaxies

1529
00:58:57,270 --> 00:58:55,280
you know like we confirmed confirmed

1530
00:58:59,430 --> 00:58:57,280
life found

1531
00:59:01,829 --> 00:58:59,440
well if we confirmed that life existed

1532
00:59:04,069 --> 00:59:01,839
on other worlds that would have a major

1533
00:59:05,030 --> 00:59:04,079
positive bearing on the ufo phenomenon

1534
00:59:06,230 --> 00:59:05,040
because

1535
00:59:08,950 --> 00:59:06,240
you know one of the things that the

1536
00:59:10,870 --> 00:59:08,960
skeptics say or the septics as i like to

1537
00:59:14,390 --> 00:59:10,880
call them um one of the things the

1538
00:59:16,309 --> 00:59:14,400
skeptics say is that you know ufos can't

1539
00:59:17,910 --> 00:59:16,319
exist or don't exist or we don't have

1540
00:59:21,670 --> 00:59:17,920
evidence of it because there's no

1541
00:59:24,230 --> 00:59:21,680
evidence yet of alien life so

1542
00:59:26,390 --> 00:59:24,240
even if alien life was detected on

1543
00:59:29,190 --> 00:59:26,400
another world you know through say like

1544
00:59:31,670 --> 00:59:29,200
radio transmissions that kind of thing

1545
00:59:32,710 --> 00:59:31,680
although it wouldn't necessarily prove

1546
00:59:34,950 --> 00:59:32,720
that

1547
00:59:36,549 --> 00:59:34,960
those same aliens were visiting the

1548
00:59:38,150 --> 00:59:36,559
earth in ufos

1549
00:59:41,910 --> 00:59:38,160
it would definitely

1550
00:59:42,870 --> 00:59:41,920
improve the position of ufology within

1551
00:59:44,829 --> 00:59:42,880
you know

1552
00:59:46,710 --> 00:59:44,839
the public's mindset and the media's

1553
00:59:48,950 --> 00:59:46,720
mindset um

1554
00:59:51,349 --> 00:59:48,960
so i think you know one of these people

1555
00:59:52,710 --> 00:59:51,359
who doesn't think that the whole seti

1556
00:59:54,470 --> 00:59:52,720
surgery

1557
00:59:56,950 --> 00:59:54,480
extraterrestrial intelligence and one of

1558
00:59:58,470 --> 00:59:56,960
the people who in ufology who doesn't

1559
01:00:01,510 --> 00:59:58,480
think it's a waste of time a lot of

1560
01:00:03,990 --> 01:00:01,520
people do but my view is if seti

1561
01:00:05,109 --> 01:00:04,000
did uncover legitimate signals

1562
01:00:11,750 --> 01:00:05,119
it would

1563
01:00:14,630 --> 01:00:11,760
and also uh credibility so yeah i'm all

1564
01:00:17,589 --> 01:00:14,640
for looking for evidence of

1565
01:00:20,630 --> 01:00:17,599
alien life beyond just alien life that

1566
01:00:22,870 --> 01:00:20,640
might be piloting ufos

1567
01:00:24,789 --> 01:00:22,880
i think we're going i think that part is

1568
01:00:27,510 --> 01:00:24,799
going to be solved you know i'd like to

1569
01:00:30,309 --> 01:00:27,520
say in my lifetime uh it just seems like

1570
01:00:32,630 --> 01:00:30,319
we get closer and closer and i think

1571
01:00:34,390 --> 01:00:32,640
it seems like almost any year now

1572
01:00:36,630 --> 01:00:34,400
that we're going to get evidence of

1573
01:00:37,750 --> 01:00:36,640
extraterrestrial life some somewhere

1574
01:00:41,109 --> 01:00:37,760
somehow

1575
01:00:44,710 --> 01:00:41,119
and uh in the message board

1576
01:00:48,710 --> 01:00:47,270
uh i think he there's a typo there i

1577
01:00:49,990 --> 01:00:48,720
think have you

1578
01:00:52,390 --> 01:00:50,000
looked into

1579
01:00:54,309 --> 01:00:52,400
um a book

1580
01:00:57,270 --> 01:00:54,319
uh dedicated to the many

1581
01:01:00,470 --> 01:00:57,280
in many of uh the cases of

1582
01:01:02,390 --> 01:01:00,480
planes snatched from the skyline

1583
01:01:04,789 --> 01:01:02,400
like uh you know in australia and stuff

1584
01:01:06,950 --> 01:01:04,799
like that

1585
01:01:08,950 --> 01:01:06,960
um is there enough

1586
01:01:12,230 --> 01:01:08,960
i've written a little bit about that but

1587
01:01:15,430 --> 01:01:12,240
um one guy who wrote a lot about this is

1588
01:01:17,190 --> 01:01:15,440
um frank pecino um i forget what his

1589
01:01:20,150 --> 01:01:17,200
book was called now but he wrote one on

1590
01:01:21,910 --> 01:01:20,160
the flatwoods monster of 1952 and he

1591
01:01:22,870 --> 01:01:21,920
wrote a follow-up

1592
01:01:24,710 --> 01:01:22,880
book

1593
01:01:25,430 --> 01:01:24,720
which actually sort of chronicled a lot

1594
01:01:32,470 --> 01:01:25,440
of

1595
01:01:34,950 --> 01:01:32,480
crashing while chasing ufos and some

1596
01:01:36,069 --> 01:01:34,960
which just completely vanished

1597
01:01:38,390 --> 01:01:36,079
um

1598
01:01:41,270 --> 01:01:38,400
so you know frank did a really good sort

1599
01:01:44,630 --> 01:01:41,280
of definitive book on that subject

1600
01:01:46,630 --> 01:01:44,640
um so you know i recommend people read

1601
01:01:48,789 --> 01:01:46,640
that book uh as i said he's frank

1602
01:01:50,549 --> 01:01:48,799
fischino but i forget the title of his

1603
01:01:53,589 --> 01:01:50,559
book now other than the flatwoods

1604
01:01:55,910 --> 01:01:53,599
monster one um but yeah i mean

1605
01:01:57,829 --> 01:01:55,920
that's like a you know a perfect book to

1606
01:01:59,349 --> 01:01:57,839
to dig into if you want to find out

1607
01:02:01,670 --> 01:01:59,359
about um

1608
01:02:04,069 --> 01:02:01,680
missing aircraft crash death craft in

1609
01:02:06,789 --> 01:02:04,079
relation to ufos sort of ufo aircraft

1610
01:02:08,789 --> 01:02:06,799
dog fights that kind of thing

1611
01:02:11,589 --> 01:02:08,799
i'm having a uh

1612
01:02:13,910 --> 01:02:11,599
um i've lost his name right now leo i

1613
01:02:16,230 --> 01:02:13,920
want to say from uh

1614
01:02:18,390 --> 01:02:16,240
from narcap is going to be on

1615
01:02:20,309 --> 01:02:18,400
and uh so i'm really excited about that

1616
01:02:22,630 --> 01:02:20,319
you know to talk about pilot cases

1617
01:02:24,549 --> 01:02:22,640
that's coming up on february 8th i

1618
01:02:26,710 --> 01:02:24,559
believe it is um let's see another

1619
01:02:28,950 --> 01:02:26,720
question here with the modern era of

1620
01:02:32,230 --> 01:02:28,960
ufology starting in the 1940s what's

1621
01:02:35,349 --> 01:02:32,240
your opinion on why ets are still

1622
01:02:36,870 --> 01:02:35,359
interested in visiting us

1623
01:02:39,510 --> 01:02:36,880
uh but you've kind of mentioned earlier

1624
01:02:41,510 --> 01:02:39,520
you're not really sure what they are

1625
01:02:43,589 --> 01:02:41,520
well no i'm not you know but whatever

1626
01:02:45,190 --> 01:02:43,599
the phenomenon is it's still definitely

1627
01:02:46,470 --> 01:02:45,200
here and with us

1628
01:02:48,630 --> 01:02:46,480
um

1629
01:02:50,230 --> 01:02:48,640
maybe it's like maybe the equivalent of

1630
01:02:52,230 --> 01:02:50,240
like going to the circus and watching

1631
01:02:54,309 --> 01:02:52,240
these crazy

1632
01:02:55,990 --> 01:02:54,319
people you know do crazy things i don't

1633
01:02:58,470 --> 01:02:56,000
know um

1634
01:03:01,589 --> 01:02:58,480
what i would say for sure is that you

1635
01:03:04,230 --> 01:03:01,599
know we clearly haven't been

1636
01:03:06,230 --> 01:03:04,240
um but then again you know

1637
01:03:08,069 --> 01:03:06,240
i don't see a great deal that's been

1638
01:03:10,549 --> 01:03:08,079
done to help us unless it's been done in

1639
01:03:12,870 --> 01:03:10,559
sort of an obscure behind-the-scenes way

1640
01:03:13,990 --> 01:03:12,880
which is not impossible at all

1641
01:03:28,069 --> 01:03:14,000
um

1642
01:03:30,150 --> 01:03:28,079
have they been helped

1643
01:03:31,750 --> 01:03:30,160
you know by extraterrestrials to sort of

1644
01:03:34,390 --> 01:03:31,760
fix those things

1645
01:03:36,630 --> 01:03:34,400
i i don't see evidence of it so i kind

1646
01:03:38,309 --> 01:03:36,640
of view the ufo phenomenon as one that

1647
01:03:40,950 --> 01:03:38,319
interacts with us

1648
01:03:43,670 --> 01:03:40,960
closely at times and very intimately at

1649
01:03:45,109 --> 01:03:43,680
times but it also it's sort of careful

1650
01:03:46,069 --> 01:03:45,119
to

1651
01:03:48,069 --> 01:03:46,079
keep

1652
01:03:49,270 --> 01:03:48,079
in the shadows as well

1653
01:03:53,270 --> 01:03:49,280
now

1654
01:03:55,750 --> 01:03:53,280
sort of forced to

1655
01:03:56,549 --> 01:03:55,760
interp what interpret what that means

1656
01:03:58,789 --> 01:03:56,559
from

1657
01:04:01,109 --> 01:03:58,799
the perspective of a human mind how we

1658
01:04:04,309 --> 01:04:01,119
rationalize and think about these things

1659
01:04:06,069 --> 01:04:04,319
you know maybe they have goals and

1660
01:04:08,710 --> 01:04:06,079
agendas which

1661
01:04:09,750 --> 01:04:08,720
we don't even really understand properly

1662
01:04:11,829 --> 01:04:09,760
um

1663
01:04:13,510 --> 01:04:11,839
you know in the same way that's

1664
01:04:15,109 --> 01:04:13,520
you know if you've got like a pet dog

1665
01:04:17,190 --> 01:04:15,119
dogs are really intelligence and you

1666
01:04:20,230 --> 01:04:17,200
know they know hundreds of words you can

1667
01:04:21,910 --> 01:04:20,240
teach them um but there are some things

1668
01:04:22,710 --> 01:04:21,920
you'll never be able to get across to

1669
01:04:25,029 --> 01:04:22,720
them

1670
01:04:27,270 --> 01:04:25,039
um it doesn't mean your dog's stupid it

1671
01:04:30,390 --> 01:04:27,280
isn't it's the exact opposite but there

1672
01:04:31,349 --> 01:04:30,400
is a limit on what it can understand

1673
01:04:32,630 --> 01:04:31,359
and

1674
01:04:33,910 --> 01:04:32,640
interpret

1675
01:04:35,910 --> 01:04:33,920
um

1676
01:04:37,670 --> 01:04:35,920
you know the dog knows

1677
01:04:38,789 --> 01:04:37,680
when you go to work in the morning you

1678
01:04:41,510 --> 01:04:38,799
know that you're going to come back

1679
01:04:44,390 --> 01:04:41,520
later but it has no concept of where you

1680
01:04:45,990 --> 01:04:44,400
go or why and maybe that's kind of like

1681
01:04:48,789 --> 01:04:46,000
with us we just

1682
01:04:51,510 --> 01:04:48,799
we're not in in a mindset that has an

1683
01:04:53,029 --> 01:04:51,520
understanding of what they do and why we

1684
01:04:55,349 --> 01:04:53,039
can only sort of apply it from our

1685
01:04:56,789 --> 01:04:55,359
perspective which might be

1686
01:04:59,750 --> 01:04:56,799
totally

1687
01:05:02,230 --> 01:04:59,760
ironically alien you know to them ah

1688
01:05:03,589 --> 01:05:02,240
yeah really good point there um

1689
01:05:04,710 --> 01:05:03,599
there was someone on the message board

1690
01:05:06,870 --> 01:05:04,720
that

1691
01:05:09,349 --> 01:05:06,880
uh noted the book you were trying to

1692
01:05:10,549 --> 01:05:09,359
remember was called shoot them down

1693
01:05:12,470 --> 01:05:10,559
by uh friends

1694
01:05:14,950 --> 01:05:12,480
frank fischino he's been on the show

1695
01:05:17,510 --> 01:05:14,960
before he's a good guy um

1696
01:05:18,549 --> 01:05:17,520
and someone wants to know who is your

1697
01:05:21,349 --> 01:05:18,559
favorite

1698
01:05:22,549 --> 01:05:21,359
author for uh books in the field ufo

1699
01:05:25,829 --> 01:05:22,559
field

1700
01:05:27,910 --> 01:05:26,789
um

1701
01:05:29,829 --> 01:05:27,920
well

1702
01:05:32,069 --> 01:05:29,839
i would have to sort of lump ufo with

1703
01:05:35,829 --> 01:05:32,079
the paranormal because i would say john

1704
01:05:38,390 --> 01:05:35,839
kale um you know john kale was the when

1705
01:05:40,230 --> 01:05:38,400
i was like a kid like i said 10 11 12

1706
01:05:43,270 --> 01:05:40,240
something like that i started reading

1707
01:05:45,589 --> 01:05:43,280
books by john kale and brad steiger

1708
01:05:48,870 --> 01:05:45,599
frank edwards um this would have been

1709
01:05:51,430 --> 01:05:48,880
sort of late 70s and

1710
01:05:53,829 --> 01:05:51,440
that got me interested in the subject

1711
01:05:55,349 --> 01:05:53,839
and i like kale stuff for a couple of

1712
01:05:57,029 --> 01:05:55,359
reasons one

1713
01:05:58,069 --> 01:05:57,039
you know his writing wasn't sort of

1714
01:06:01,109 --> 01:05:58,079
bland

1715
01:06:03,109 --> 01:06:01,119
it wasn't sort of mr jones saw a ufo it

1716
01:06:06,390 --> 01:06:03,119
was silver you know

1717
01:06:07,750 --> 01:06:06,400
he wrote in a really atmospheric way and

1718
01:06:09,670 --> 01:06:07,760
i like that i think you know if you're

1719
01:06:11,829 --> 01:06:09,680
going to tell a story

1720
01:06:13,670 --> 01:06:11,839
um it's not enough just to sort of

1721
01:06:14,789 --> 01:06:13,680
relate the fact you've got to make it

1722
01:06:16,789 --> 01:06:14,799
readable

1723
01:06:19,270 --> 01:06:16,799
and eye-catching hopefully for the

1724
01:06:20,710 --> 01:06:19,280
reader um so i like that but i also like

1725
01:06:22,470 --> 01:06:20,720
the fact that keele

1726
01:06:24,789 --> 01:06:22,480
didn't really care

1727
01:06:25,829 --> 01:06:24,799
what his peers thought of him and i kind

1728
01:06:27,670 --> 01:06:25,839
of go

1729
01:06:30,390 --> 01:06:27,680
you know that approach as well i do what

1730
01:06:32,230 --> 01:06:30,400
i do i write what i write and if people

1731
01:06:33,829 --> 01:06:32,240
like it that's fine and if they don't

1732
01:06:36,630 --> 01:06:33,839
well that's how it goes you know i'm not

1733
01:06:39,910 --> 01:06:36,640
going to lose sleep over it and keel

1734
01:06:41,829 --> 01:06:39,920
very bravely in the 60s and 70s when you

1735
01:06:44,309 --> 01:06:41,839
know the whole nuts and bolts angle was

1736
01:06:47,109 --> 01:06:44,319
the dominating one in ufology you know

1737
01:06:49,430 --> 01:06:47,119
you had people like donald kehoe

1738
01:06:51,750 --> 01:06:49,440
uh leonard stringfield

1739
01:06:54,870 --> 01:06:51,760
um you know all the people who were sort

1740
01:06:57,349 --> 01:06:54,880
of at the the forefront knight cap you

1741
01:07:00,309 --> 01:06:57,359
know at the forefront of um

1742
01:07:01,670 --> 01:07:00,319
promoting the et theory you know keel

1743
01:07:05,750 --> 01:07:01,680
was making

1744
01:07:08,710 --> 01:07:05,760
um sort of parallels between ufology

1745
01:07:11,510 --> 01:07:08,720
and um the supernatural and the occult

1746
01:07:13,430 --> 01:07:11,520
even demonology and things like that and

1747
01:07:14,390 --> 01:07:13,440
he was kind of a bit of a maverick and

1748
01:07:16,150 --> 01:07:14,400
um

1749
01:07:19,190 --> 01:07:16,160
so you know those are the reasons why i

1750
01:07:20,630 --> 01:07:19,200
like kiel's books because he really

1751
01:07:23,109 --> 01:07:20,640
he didn't just go with the flow for the

1752
01:07:24,950 --> 01:07:23,119
sake of it he actually asked the awkward

1753
01:07:26,630 --> 01:07:24,960
questions that a lot of researchers

1754
01:07:28,710 --> 01:07:26,640
didn't want to touch because he took

1755
01:07:31,029 --> 01:07:28,720
them out of their

1756
01:07:32,789 --> 01:07:31,039
straightforward belief system of nuts

1757
01:07:34,069 --> 01:07:32,799
and bolts aliens and they just didn't

1758
01:07:37,190 --> 01:07:34,079
want to deal

1759
01:07:38,870 --> 01:07:37,200
with these sort of rogue cases that kale

1760
01:07:40,309 --> 01:07:38,880
really sort of you know got his teeth

1761
01:07:42,069 --> 01:07:40,319
into

1762
01:07:44,230 --> 01:07:42,079
right right another question out of all

1763
01:07:49,109 --> 01:07:44,240
the books that you have authored what's

1764
01:07:56,150 --> 01:07:51,190
um

1765
01:07:59,750 --> 01:07:56,160
let's say it's probably a book i wrote

1766
01:08:01,589 --> 01:07:59,760
in um 2012 called wild man and it was

1767
01:08:03,910 --> 01:08:01,599
all about the very little known

1768
01:08:05,829 --> 01:08:03,920
phenomenon of bigfoot and bigfoot type

1769
01:08:07,589 --> 01:08:05,839
creatures in the uk

1770
01:08:10,630 --> 01:08:07,599
um a lot of these reports like the

1771
01:08:13,750 --> 01:08:10,640
mountains and forests of um scotland

1772
01:08:15,349 --> 01:08:13,760
and wales and and also a number from the

1773
01:08:18,070 --> 01:08:15,359
from england as well

1774
01:08:20,870 --> 01:08:18,080
um and i was sort of pleased to be able

1775
01:08:23,349 --> 01:08:20,880
to do that book because um it's a

1776
01:08:26,630 --> 01:08:23,359
subject i've had a long interest in for

1777
01:08:29,189 --> 01:08:26,640
years and finally in 2012 i was able to

1778
01:08:30,870 --> 01:08:29,199
get around and write a full-length book

1779
01:08:32,870 --> 01:08:30,880
on the subject so

1780
01:08:34,229 --> 01:08:32,880
i would say that one because

1781
01:08:35,669 --> 01:08:34,239
um

1782
01:08:38,070 --> 01:08:35,679
because it was the one i always wanted

1783
01:08:40,870 --> 01:08:38,080
to do and finally uh got around to it

1784
01:08:42,149 --> 01:08:40,880
uh-huh i know when we very first spoke i

1785
01:08:45,829 --> 01:08:42,159
think the first time i had you on this

1786
01:08:47,829 --> 01:08:45,839
show you were saying uh the crypto uh

1787
01:08:51,030 --> 01:08:47,839
field is the one you're most interested

1788
01:08:55,590 --> 01:08:51,040
in are you um if that's true today are

1789
01:08:57,430 --> 01:08:55,600
you uh writing anything on that soon

1790
01:08:59,349 --> 01:08:57,440
yeah i actually had a book come out just

1791
01:09:00,630 --> 01:08:59,359
a couple of months ago on the loch ness

1792
01:09:02,470 --> 01:09:00,640
monster

1793
01:09:03,749 --> 01:09:02,480
which looks like a different approach

1794
01:09:04,630 --> 01:09:03,759
and looked at all the really sort of

1795
01:09:06,870 --> 01:09:04,640
weird

1796
01:09:10,070 --> 01:09:06,880
supernatural stuff surrounding the story

1797
01:09:11,990 --> 01:09:10,080
of the loch ness monster or monsters um

1798
01:09:14,309 --> 01:09:12,000
for example there have been a lot of ufo

1799
01:09:16,709 --> 01:09:14,319
sightings over loch ness there have been

1800
01:09:19,510 --> 01:09:16,719
men in black reports

1801
01:09:21,269 --> 01:09:19,520
the famous occultist alistair crowley

1802
01:09:23,749 --> 01:09:21,279
had a house at loch ness called

1803
01:09:26,309 --> 01:09:23,759
burlesque in house where he tried to uh

1804
01:09:28,630 --> 01:09:26,319
summon up supernatural entities that

1805
01:09:30,630 --> 01:09:28,640
some people believe sort of opened a

1806
01:09:32,309 --> 01:09:30,640
door to allow these

1807
01:09:34,630 --> 01:09:32,319
monsters through in other words that

1808
01:09:36,789 --> 01:09:34,640
they're not sort of just surviving

1809
01:09:38,789 --> 01:09:36,799
relics from you know the jurassic era or

1810
01:09:41,430 --> 01:09:38,799
whatever but as something

1811
01:09:44,470 --> 01:09:41,440
much stranger um so that was a theme of

1812
01:09:47,590 --> 01:09:44,480
that one but uh yeah cryptozoology is my

1813
01:09:49,669 --> 01:09:47,600
main interest ufo's being next

1814
01:09:51,910 --> 01:09:49,679
mainly for a couple of reasons you know

1815
01:09:54,470 --> 01:09:51,920
i just it just appeals to me more but

1816
01:09:56,790 --> 01:09:54,480
the other one is i enjoy sort of going

1817
01:09:59,030 --> 01:09:56,800
on expeditions and road trips you know

1818
01:10:02,229 --> 01:09:59,040
it's um it's fun you know it can be

1819
01:10:04,550 --> 01:10:02,239
exciting and um you know the sort of the

1820
01:10:07,110 --> 01:10:04,560
adrenaline rush of maybe you know we're

1821
01:10:09,990 --> 01:10:07,120
gonna find something um

1822
01:10:11,910 --> 01:10:10,000
i mean for all the book writing i do you

1823
01:10:13,910 --> 01:10:11,920
know i actually enjoy

1824
01:10:14,709 --> 01:10:13,920
hitting the road you know

1825
01:10:20,709 --> 01:10:14,719
and

1826
01:10:22,470 --> 01:10:20,719
just

1827
01:10:24,630 --> 01:10:22,480
you know sort of looking for these

1828
01:10:27,030 --> 01:10:24,640
things um

1829
01:10:29,270 --> 01:10:27,040
you know it's it's fun to do it's you

1830
01:10:30,870 --> 01:10:29,280
know stimulating and uh and at the end

1831
01:10:33,430 --> 01:10:30,880
of the day maybe one of the days you

1832
01:10:36,790 --> 01:10:33,440
know we'll catch a big foot or a yeti or

1833
01:10:38,390 --> 01:10:36,800
a triple cabra i know it's it's so

1834
01:10:42,229 --> 01:10:38,400
interesting when you really think about

1835
01:10:44,470 --> 01:10:42,239
it the ufos the anything paranormal

1836
01:10:46,550 --> 01:10:44,480
ghosts

1837
01:10:49,030 --> 01:10:46,560
cryptology any of the

1838
01:10:50,229 --> 01:10:49,040
so-called the bigfoot yeti and all that

1839
01:10:52,950 --> 01:10:50,239
uh no

1840
01:10:54,870 --> 01:10:52,960
hard evidence now i know dr melva

1841
01:10:56,830 --> 01:10:54,880
ketchum who i've actually spoke with

1842
01:10:59,430 --> 01:10:56,840
very nice lady

1843
01:11:02,310 --> 01:10:59,440
um claims she has the closest thing to

1844
01:11:04,709 --> 01:11:02,320
evidence and that is uh uh dna that

1845
01:11:07,110 --> 01:11:04,719
can't be explained basically

1846
01:11:08,550 --> 01:11:07,120
but there's just no hard

1847
01:11:10,470 --> 01:11:08,560
evidence

1848
01:11:12,790 --> 01:11:10,480
i'm not sure

1849
01:11:15,430 --> 01:11:12,800
what i think about that in particular

1850
01:11:17,590 --> 01:11:15,440
but um well you know i mean one of the

1851
01:11:20,470 --> 01:11:17,600
theories and it's one of the ones i kind

1852
01:11:22,229 --> 01:11:20,480
of go with is i actually don't think

1853
01:11:24,870 --> 01:11:22,239
that a lot of these so-called cryptids

1854
01:11:27,430 --> 01:11:24,880
as they're known like bigfoot the yeti

1855
01:11:30,070 --> 01:11:27,440
loch ness monster the chubber camera i'm

1856
01:11:32,310 --> 01:11:30,080
not entirely sure that they're just what

1857
01:11:34,229 --> 01:11:32,320
we would call unknown animals there's a

1858
01:11:36,070 --> 01:11:34,239
lot of very weird stuff

1859
01:11:38,149 --> 01:11:36,080
in relation to bigfoot where people have

1860
01:11:39,750 --> 01:11:38,159
seen these creatures and supposedly

1861
01:11:41,910 --> 01:11:39,760
they've sort of vanished in a flash of

1862
01:11:44,709 --> 01:11:41,920
light or they've just sort of in an

1863
01:11:46,950 --> 01:11:44,719
instant winked out of existence um

1864
01:11:48,470 --> 01:11:46,960
the reports are people seeing bigfoot in

1865
01:11:50,870 --> 01:11:48,480
the woods and it's surrounded by like

1866
01:11:52,870 --> 01:11:50,880
these small glit glittering balls of

1867
01:11:55,189 --> 01:11:52,880
light like almost like a some sort of

1868
01:11:56,630 --> 01:11:55,199
weird energy as i said there's a lot of

1869
01:12:00,229 --> 01:11:56,640
strange stuff

1870
01:12:01,910 --> 01:12:00,239
um with ufo activity excuse me um we

1871
01:12:02,950 --> 01:12:01,920
could put paranormal activity at loch

1872
01:12:04,790 --> 01:12:02,960
ness

1873
01:12:07,030 --> 01:12:04,800
you know that goes far beyond just the

1874
01:12:09,510 --> 01:12:07,040
reports of the loch ness monster

1875
01:12:12,310 --> 01:12:09,520
um and that's the same with you know a

1876
01:12:14,229 --> 01:12:12,320
number of lake monster stories in the us

1877
01:12:15,910 --> 01:12:14,239
um people have tried to photograph these

1878
01:12:17,750 --> 01:12:15,920
things and the cameras have jammed or

1879
01:12:19,510 --> 01:12:17,760
the pictures have come out fogged and

1880
01:12:22,550 --> 01:12:19,520
this has happened on far more than just

1881
01:12:24,709 --> 01:12:22,560
a couple of random occasions so

1882
01:12:26,390 --> 01:12:24,719
i think we could be dealing with as as

1883
01:12:29,110 --> 01:12:26,400
john keel felt

1884
01:12:31,590 --> 01:12:29,120
that these animals the reason we don't

1885
01:12:34,630 --> 01:12:31,600
catch them the why the reason why

1886
01:12:36,229 --> 01:12:34,640
it's so they're so elusive and why

1887
01:12:38,229 --> 01:12:36,239
bigfoot you know which is like this

1888
01:12:42,070 --> 01:12:38,239
seven to eight foot tall ape

1889
01:12:43,910 --> 01:12:42,080
in a country so densely packed and um as

1890
01:12:44,790 --> 01:12:43,920
the united states we can't even catch

1891
01:12:47,430 --> 01:12:44,800
one

1892
01:12:49,830 --> 01:12:47,440
you know which sounds totally unlikely

1893
01:12:52,870 --> 01:12:49,840
it may be because as john cale felt that

1894
01:12:55,270 --> 01:12:52,880
they're actually only temporarily in our

1895
01:12:57,830 --> 01:12:55,280
reality maybe they sort of flit in and

1896
01:13:00,310 --> 01:12:57,840
out of other realities um

1897
01:13:01,990 --> 01:13:00,320
and you know they're just temporary

1898
01:13:03,910 --> 01:13:02,000
visitors and then

1899
01:13:06,149 --> 01:13:03,920
you know that's the reason we may not

1900
01:13:08,790 --> 01:13:06,159
catch them because for the most part

1901
01:13:09,510 --> 01:13:08,800
they're not here and now of course a lot

1902
01:13:11,830 --> 01:13:09,520
of

1903
01:13:13,990 --> 01:13:11,840
regular cryptozoologists

1904
01:13:16,149 --> 01:13:14,000
they sort of really you know shake their

1905
01:13:17,189 --> 01:13:16,159
heads and roll their eyes when you start

1906
01:13:19,550 --> 01:13:17,199
bringing

1907
01:13:22,310 --> 01:13:19,560
the paranormal and multi-dimensions into

1908
01:13:25,270 --> 01:13:22,320
cryptozoology but you know i always tell

1909
01:13:28,070 --> 01:13:25,280
people that the most important people

1910
01:13:30,149 --> 01:13:28,080
in these fields and everything i do it's

1911
01:13:31,590 --> 01:13:30,159
not the authors or the tv host or

1912
01:13:33,110 --> 01:13:31,600
whatever it's the witnesses because

1913
01:13:35,510 --> 01:13:33,120
without the witnesses

1914
01:13:37,990 --> 01:13:35,520
we don't have anything and the fact is

1915
01:13:40,070 --> 01:13:38,000
there are a lot of witness reports of

1916
01:13:42,390 --> 01:13:40,080
a lot of really weird stuff in relation

1917
01:13:44,709 --> 01:13:42,400
to bigfoot and you know for certain

1918
01:13:47,590 --> 01:13:44,719
researchers to ignore those reports

1919
01:13:48,630 --> 01:13:47,600
because they don't fit in well with

1920
01:13:51,110 --> 01:13:48,640
their

1921
01:13:53,189 --> 01:13:51,120
theories they're they're basically self

1922
01:13:56,390 --> 01:13:53,199
censoring themselves you know instead of

1923
01:13:57,910 --> 01:13:56,400
being completely open minded

1924
01:14:00,390 --> 01:13:57,920
someone on the message board wanted to

1925
01:14:01,830 --> 01:14:00,400
know what you thought about lloyd pie's

1926
01:14:05,270 --> 01:14:01,840
theory on the connection between

1927
01:14:06,630 --> 01:14:05,280
neanderthal and sasquatch

1928
01:14:08,709 --> 01:14:06,640
are you familiar with

1929
01:14:10,149 --> 01:14:08,719
his theory on that

1930
01:14:11,990 --> 01:14:10,159
well

1931
01:14:15,189 --> 01:14:12,000
i mean it's an interesting theory but

1932
01:14:18,149 --> 01:14:15,199
the the the one problem i have with it

1933
01:14:20,870 --> 01:14:18,159
is that you know neanderthal man was a

1934
01:14:23,350 --> 01:14:20,880
was a type of man you know they they

1935
01:14:27,110 --> 01:14:23,360
looked obviously you know significantly

1936
01:14:28,709 --> 01:14:27,120
different to us um but they looked like

1937
01:14:31,750 --> 01:14:28,719
a primitive human

1938
01:14:33,830 --> 01:14:31,760
whereas bigfoot is almost

1939
01:14:34,709 --> 01:14:33,840
exclusively described as looking far

1940
01:14:37,510 --> 01:14:34,719
more

1941
01:14:39,910 --> 01:14:37,520
ape-like you know and so

1942
01:14:42,149 --> 01:14:39,920
unless an argument could be made that

1943
01:14:44,630 --> 01:14:42,159
over you know thousands of thousands of

1944
01:14:46,070 --> 01:14:44,640
years if they'd survived extinction

1945
01:14:48,070 --> 01:14:46,080
they um

1946
01:14:50,149 --> 01:14:48,080
you know they might have evolved more

1947
01:14:52,390 --> 01:14:50,159
i'm not sure that's a valid case you

1948
01:14:54,070 --> 01:14:52,400
know in saying that you know you look at

1949
01:14:55,590 --> 01:14:54,080
bigfoot in the united states it does

1950
01:14:56,390 --> 01:14:55,600
look more ape-like

1951
01:15:03,270 --> 01:14:56,400
now

1952
01:15:04,630 --> 01:15:03,280
far reaches of russia um the ukraine

1953
01:15:06,630 --> 01:15:04,640
siberia

1954
01:15:08,149 --> 01:15:06,640
you do get a lot of reports of the

1955
01:15:12,070 --> 01:15:08,159
russian equivalent which is known as the

1956
01:15:14,630 --> 01:15:12,080
al-masti now at least a fair

1957
01:15:16,550 --> 01:15:14,640
significant number of those reports

1958
01:15:18,950 --> 01:15:16,560
do seem to involve creatures that are

1959
01:15:19,830 --> 01:15:18,960
more like a primitive human

1960
01:15:22,070 --> 01:15:19,840
um

1961
01:15:24,950 --> 01:15:22,080
but they're very often distinctly

1962
01:15:27,510 --> 01:15:24,960
different to the american bigfoot now in

1963
01:15:29,430 --> 01:15:27,520
china they have the yeren which is even

1964
01:15:33,270 --> 01:15:29,440
more ape-like

1965
01:15:36,550 --> 01:15:33,280
so i don't personally think bigfoot

1966
01:15:38,390 --> 01:15:36,560
and neanderthals are one of the same but

1967
01:15:40,870 --> 01:15:38,400
i don't think it's out of the question

1968
01:15:42,390 --> 01:15:40,880
that some of these more primitive

1969
01:15:45,030 --> 01:15:42,400
human-looking ones in the world of

1970
01:15:47,189 --> 01:15:45,040
russia they could actually be

1971
01:15:49,830 --> 01:15:47,199
relic populations of neanderthals or

1972
01:15:51,990 --> 01:15:49,840
crow magnets um

1973
01:15:53,910 --> 01:15:52,000
so you know there could actually be more

1974
01:15:55,910 --> 01:15:53,920
than one answer to whatever these sort

1975
01:15:58,070 --> 01:15:55,920
of hairy humanoid creatures are it

1976
01:15:59,910 --> 01:15:58,080
doesn't necessarily all have to be

1977
01:16:01,590 --> 01:15:59,920
bigfoot winking out of existence some

1978
01:16:04,390 --> 01:16:01,600
could actually be just

1979
01:16:06,870 --> 01:16:04,400
pockets of primitive humans that against

1980
01:16:10,790 --> 01:16:06,880
all the odds have survived you know

1981
01:16:13,189 --> 01:16:10,800
wow yeah interesting back to uh ufos um

1982
01:16:14,390 --> 01:16:13,199
another question in the forum here

1983
01:16:16,550 --> 01:16:14,400
someone want to know have you come

1984
01:16:17,669 --> 01:16:16,560
across any ufo cases that seem to have

1985
01:16:21,030 --> 01:16:17,679
the ability

1986
01:16:23,030 --> 01:16:21,040
to temporarily camouflage themselves

1987
01:16:24,870 --> 01:16:23,040
as to look more like the conventional

1988
01:16:27,270 --> 01:16:24,880
aircraft

1989
01:16:29,350 --> 01:16:27,280
i haven't heard that myself

1990
01:16:32,709 --> 01:16:29,360
well i haven't heard it with aircraft

1991
01:16:34,550 --> 01:16:32,719
but i actually have um

1992
01:16:37,590 --> 01:16:34,560
well quite a few reports and i think

1993
01:16:41,030 --> 01:16:37,600
there's a couple in the 365 days where

1994
01:16:42,790 --> 01:16:41,040
people have seen ufos transform into

1995
01:16:44,790 --> 01:16:42,800
what we call like black helicopters and

1996
01:16:47,669 --> 01:16:44,800
also vice versa the black helicopters

1997
01:16:49,350 --> 01:16:47,679
have transformed into ufos now

1998
01:16:51,350 --> 01:16:49,360
you know if you look up ufos and black

1999
01:16:52,310 --> 01:16:51,360
helicopters you'll find a ton of stories

2000
01:16:54,709 --> 01:16:52,320
where

2001
01:16:58,149 --> 01:16:54,719
these black helicopters and unmarked

2002
01:17:00,709 --> 01:16:58,159
helicopters often turn up in abduction

2003
01:17:02,550 --> 01:17:00,719
cases you know someone's abducted and

2004
01:17:05,110 --> 01:17:02,560
then the next night there's this black

2005
01:17:07,990 --> 01:17:05,120
helicopter hovering over the home and

2006
01:17:09,750 --> 01:17:08,000
people assume it's some sort of covert

2007
01:17:11,430 --> 01:17:09,760
arm of the military that monitors

2008
01:17:13,030 --> 01:17:11,440
abductees you know and they're the

2009
01:17:14,070 --> 01:17:13,040
monitoring this person and another

2010
01:17:16,310 --> 01:17:14,080
person

2011
01:17:18,310 --> 01:17:16,320
and they also turn up in cattle

2012
01:17:20,950 --> 01:17:18,320
mutilations where people have

2013
01:17:22,550 --> 01:17:20,960
seen animals mutilated and then

2014
01:17:24,709 --> 01:17:22,560
um

2015
01:17:27,189 --> 01:17:24,719
a helicopter's flying over but in a lot

2016
01:17:28,790 --> 01:17:27,199
of these cases the one weird factor is

2017
01:17:31,510 --> 01:17:28,800
that the helicopters

2018
01:17:33,910 --> 01:17:31,520
are flying completely silently

2019
01:17:35,830 --> 01:17:33,920
now there have been for years rumors of

2020
01:17:37,910 --> 01:17:35,840
the military having perfected silent

2021
01:17:40,070 --> 01:17:37,920
helicopters but it hasn't been

2022
01:17:42,470 --> 01:17:40,080
you know fully proved so right maybe

2023
01:17:45,110 --> 01:17:42,480
some fall into that category but there

2024
01:17:48,709 --> 01:17:45,120
are some really weird cases that kind of

2025
01:17:51,430 --> 01:17:48,719
uh fall into what you you call a um just

2026
01:17:54,310 --> 01:17:51,440
mentioned and that's in relation to how

2027
01:17:56,149 --> 01:17:54,320
people have seen these black helicopters

2028
01:17:58,550 --> 01:17:56,159
sort of suddenly shrink into a ball of

2029
01:18:01,510 --> 01:17:58,560
light which shoots off at high speed

2030
01:18:03,910 --> 01:18:01,520
or the ball of light hovers in the sky

2031
01:18:06,550 --> 01:18:03,920
and then suddenly it's replaced by a

2032
01:18:09,030 --> 01:18:06,560
black helicopter which has given rise to

2033
01:18:11,110 --> 01:18:09,040
the theory in some quarters that these

2034
01:18:13,030 --> 01:18:11,120
craft are either

2035
01:18:14,950 --> 01:18:13,040
literally physically

2036
01:18:17,510 --> 01:18:14,960
camouflaging the excuse me literally

2037
01:18:19,030 --> 01:18:17,520
physically transforming themselves or

2038
01:18:21,350 --> 01:18:19,040
more likely

2039
01:18:22,630 --> 01:18:21,360
that they are sort of projecting like a

2040
01:18:24,149 --> 01:18:22,640
holographic

2041
01:18:26,950 --> 01:18:24,159
image

2042
01:18:29,430 --> 01:18:26,960
um sort of over the top of the the

2043
01:18:31,270 --> 01:18:29,440
railcraft you know so we just see like

2044
01:18:33,990 --> 01:18:31,280
almost like the projection

2045
01:18:36,310 --> 01:18:34,000
behind which is the the real craft

2046
01:18:38,149 --> 01:18:36,320
so that that's about the closest i can

2047
01:18:40,390 --> 01:18:38,159
think of um

2048
01:18:42,790 --> 01:18:40,400
where you've got this sort of situation

2049
01:18:45,750 --> 01:18:42,800
of either they're literally changing

2050
01:18:47,669 --> 01:18:45,760
shape or they're projecting something

2051
01:18:49,030 --> 01:18:47,679
in front of the craft to make you think

2052
01:18:51,510 --> 01:18:49,040
you're seeing something that you're

2053
01:18:54,790 --> 01:18:51,520
actually not wow yeah i know they're

2054
01:18:57,510 --> 01:18:54,800
they're working on a technology of uh of

2055
01:18:59,030 --> 01:18:57,520
uh helicopter rotors that are like sound

2056
01:19:01,189 --> 01:18:59,040
cancelling

2057
01:19:04,229 --> 01:19:01,199
and um i think we will see that if it's

2058
01:19:05,830 --> 01:19:04,239
not out already but it's hard to know um

2059
01:19:07,350 --> 01:19:05,840
a lot of times we just don't know what's

2060
01:19:08,790 --> 01:19:07,360
out there

2061
01:19:10,550 --> 01:19:08,800
well the thing is you know if you look

2062
01:19:12,310 --> 01:19:10,560
back at the the stealth bomber and the

2063
01:19:14,870 --> 01:19:12,320
stealth fighter when they were unveiled

2064
01:19:16,470 --> 01:19:14,880
in the late eighties we know now that

2065
01:19:19,110 --> 01:19:16,480
the prototypes of the flight of the

2066
01:19:21,270 --> 01:19:19,120
stealth eyes were flying in 75

2067
01:19:24,229 --> 01:19:21,280
like 13 years before it was rolled out

2068
01:19:26,950 --> 01:19:24,239
of the hangar so it wouldn't surprise me

2069
01:19:28,870 --> 01:19:26,960
if there were silent helicopters now

2070
01:19:32,149 --> 01:19:28,880
which we might not be told about till

2071
01:19:33,990 --> 01:19:32,159
like i don't know 20 30 or something um

2072
01:19:36,470 --> 01:19:34,000
that happens a lot you know if things

2073
01:19:38,950 --> 01:19:36,480
are kept on the secret list because you

2074
01:19:41,830 --> 01:19:38,960
know you don't want your your enemy um

2075
01:19:44,229 --> 01:19:41,840
to find out what you've got so until you

2076
01:19:45,990 --> 01:19:44,239
actually need it in a warfare situation

2077
01:19:47,430 --> 01:19:46,000
you keep it under wraps or you fly it

2078
01:19:49,350 --> 01:19:47,440
around and see

2079
01:19:51,750 --> 01:19:49,360
you know how it how it works and whether

2080
01:19:53,669 --> 01:19:51,760
people see it or pick up on it or

2081
01:19:57,189 --> 01:19:53,679
hopefully from their perspective you

2082
01:19:59,750 --> 01:19:58,390
now

2083
01:20:01,510 --> 01:19:59,760
this uh

2084
01:20:04,149 --> 01:20:01,520
this question here it says does your

2085
01:20:05,830 --> 01:20:04,159
book mention the battle of los angeles

2086
01:20:08,390 --> 01:20:05,840
and what can you tell us about that

2087
01:20:11,030 --> 01:20:08,400
event but i also want to say that uh

2088
01:20:12,470 --> 01:20:11,040
uh i know david marlar is working on

2089
01:20:15,030 --> 01:20:12,480
that the same one

2090
01:20:15,750 --> 01:20:15,040
uh that worked on the triangles

2091
01:20:18,629 --> 01:20:15,760
so

2092
01:20:19,750 --> 01:20:18,639
he's going to do a presentation on that

2093
01:20:23,350 --> 01:20:19,760
oh cool

2094
01:20:25,590 --> 01:20:23,360
well um yeah i actually do have the um

2095
01:20:27,990 --> 01:20:25,600
the battle of los angeles in the book

2096
01:20:30,390 --> 01:20:28,000
now for people who aren't aware of it

2097
01:20:34,470 --> 01:20:30,400
you know when the second world war broke

2098
01:20:36,229 --> 01:20:34,480
out in 1939 um you know the the war was

2099
01:20:39,270 --> 01:20:36,239
going on in europe and then when pearl

2100
01:20:42,310 --> 01:20:39,280
harbor got attacked in december 41 uh

2101
01:20:43,990 --> 01:20:42,320
america entered the war now of course

2102
01:20:45,990 --> 01:20:44,000
like everywhere you know there was a

2103
01:20:48,149 --> 01:20:46,000
great deal of concern about the war and

2104
01:20:51,270 --> 01:20:48,159
what was going to happen and um you know

2105
01:20:53,430 --> 01:20:51,280
a lot of war nerves as well and um you

2106
01:20:55,510 --> 01:20:53,440
know people looking to the skies and so

2107
01:20:59,030 --> 01:20:55,520
on um and what's particularly

2108
01:21:02,790 --> 01:20:59,040
interesting is that in uh december 1941

2109
01:21:05,830 --> 01:21:02,800
you had this strange um situation

2110
01:21:08,709 --> 01:21:05,840
where unknown objects were seen flying

2111
01:21:10,950 --> 01:21:08,719
across the skies of los angeles and um

2112
01:21:12,790 --> 01:21:10,960
nobody knew what they were

2113
01:21:14,550 --> 01:21:12,800
you know the first thought was that the

2114
01:21:17,910 --> 01:21:14,560
worst case scenario

2115
01:21:20,149 --> 01:21:17,920
was that um you know it was the japanese

2116
01:21:21,990 --> 01:21:20,159
but that was pretty much if not

2117
01:21:23,510 --> 01:21:22,000
completely ruled out by the fact that

2118
01:21:26,149 --> 01:21:23,520
there was no sort of

2119
01:21:29,030 --> 01:21:26,159
attempt if you like to um

2120
01:21:31,189 --> 01:21:29,040
to drop bombs or to attack the city or

2121
01:21:33,910 --> 01:21:31,199
anything like that at all you know it

2122
01:21:35,750 --> 01:21:33,920
was it really was just a situation where

2123
01:21:37,910 --> 01:21:35,760
um

2124
01:21:39,830 --> 01:21:37,920
you know the the the lights were seen

2125
01:21:40,830 --> 01:21:39,840
these objects were seen they were lit up

2126
01:21:42,550 --> 01:21:40,840
by

2127
01:21:44,470 --> 01:21:42,560
floodlights um

2128
01:21:46,310 --> 01:21:44,480
their attempts to shoot them down you

2129
01:21:48,790 --> 01:21:46,320
know with um

2130
01:21:50,870 --> 01:21:48,800
ground to surface um

2131
01:21:53,350 --> 01:21:50,880
cannons that kind of thing and none of

2132
01:21:56,229 --> 01:21:53,360
it worked now i talk about in the book

2133
01:21:57,910 --> 01:21:56,239
for example uh how a number of files

2134
01:22:00,229 --> 01:21:57,920
have now been declassified through the

2135
01:22:01,910 --> 01:22:00,239
terms of the freedom information act but

2136
01:22:05,350 --> 01:22:01,920
actually talk about

2137
01:22:06,950 --> 01:22:05,360
um these particular experiences and how

2138
01:22:09,669 --> 01:22:06,960
uh for example

2139
01:22:11,750 --> 01:22:09,679
um the military was chronicling all this

2140
01:22:13,510 --> 01:22:11,760
and the you know the the files and the

2141
01:22:15,750 --> 01:22:13,520
data was going to the white house and

2142
01:22:16,550 --> 01:22:15,760
military intelligence trying to figure

2143
01:22:19,430 --> 01:22:16,560
out

2144
01:22:21,669 --> 01:22:19,440
what on earth was going on and

2145
01:22:23,350 --> 01:22:21,679
nobody really could solve it it was it

2146
01:22:26,149 --> 01:22:23,360
was just one of these mysteries that

2147
01:22:27,590 --> 01:22:26,159
like a lot of ufo cases sort of came and

2148
01:22:29,510 --> 01:22:27,600
went really

2149
01:22:33,110 --> 01:22:29,520
right right um

2150
01:22:36,790 --> 01:22:34,390
have you

2151
01:22:39,430 --> 01:22:36,800
ever come across any stories where

2152
01:22:41,110 --> 01:22:39,440
people are talking about they've uh

2153
01:22:45,110 --> 01:22:41,120
claimed to have seen

2154
01:22:49,189 --> 01:22:46,629
that's another oh yeah i mean there's a

2155
01:22:51,189 --> 01:22:49,199
lot of reports like this um

2156
01:22:53,590 --> 01:22:51,199
you know you can find them pretty much

2157
01:22:55,750 --> 01:22:53,600
all over the world um not just in the

2158
01:22:58,629 --> 01:22:55,760
united states but certainly you know the

2159
01:23:00,870 --> 01:22:58,639
more credible ones uh have surfaced from

2160
01:23:03,350 --> 01:23:00,880
the u.s and particularly from places

2161
01:23:05,430 --> 01:23:03,360
like wright-patterson air force base in

2162
01:23:09,030 --> 01:23:05,440
dayton ohio which has been for many

2163
01:23:11,350 --> 01:23:09,040
years was involved in the ufo phenomenon

2164
01:23:12,950 --> 01:23:11,360
from the perspective of looking at

2165
01:23:15,270 --> 01:23:12,960
things um

2166
01:23:18,229 --> 01:23:15,280
you know for ufos in the sky things like

2167
01:23:19,990 --> 01:23:18,239
that you have project blue book um

2168
01:23:22,229 --> 01:23:20,000
based there even though blue book was a

2169
01:23:24,390 --> 01:23:22,239
relatively sort of low level data

2170
01:23:27,510 --> 01:23:24,400
collection operation

2171
01:23:29,590 --> 01:23:27,520
however um there have long been rumors

2172
01:23:31,350 --> 01:23:29,600
that at wright patterson there are these

2173
01:23:32,950 --> 01:23:31,360
sort of underground bunker type

2174
01:23:34,390 --> 01:23:32,960
situations that i sort of you know

2175
01:23:35,350 --> 01:23:34,400
mentioned before

2176
01:23:38,390 --> 01:23:35,360
and

2177
01:23:40,709 --> 01:23:38,400
um places where military personnel have

2178
01:23:41,910 --> 01:23:40,719
allegedly seen alien bodies sort of

2179
01:23:44,470 --> 01:23:41,920
stored in

2180
01:23:47,590 --> 01:23:44,480
either sort of cryogenic chambers you

2181
01:23:50,149 --> 01:23:47,600
know you know like a frozen form or

2182
01:23:51,110 --> 01:23:50,159
almost like pickled in huge tanks of

2183
01:23:53,830 --> 01:23:51,120
liquid

2184
01:23:56,390 --> 01:23:53,840
um and they're typically described as

2185
01:23:59,030 --> 01:23:56,400
you know as a sort of classic grey alien

2186
01:24:00,550 --> 01:23:59,040
sort of small bodies and large heads and

2187
01:24:02,470 --> 01:24:00,560
in some cases

2188
01:24:04,149 --> 01:24:02,480
they're in perfect condition in other

2189
01:24:06,390 --> 01:24:04,159
cases the witnesses said they were sort

2190
01:24:08,629 --> 01:24:06,400
of pulverized as if they'd been you know

2191
01:24:11,030 --> 01:24:08,639
in a you know huge accidents or

2192
01:24:13,350 --> 01:24:11,040
something like that other cases people

2193
01:24:14,310 --> 01:24:13,360
claim to have seen like body parts

2194
01:24:16,470 --> 01:24:14,320
you know

2195
01:24:19,189 --> 01:24:16,480
rather than a complete body

2196
01:24:21,350 --> 01:24:19,199
so in that sense um

2197
01:24:23,110 --> 01:24:21,360
you know we're sort of looking at

2198
01:24:25,270 --> 01:24:23,120
stories that actually when you put them

2199
01:24:26,950 --> 01:24:25,280
all together have a lot of similarities

2200
01:24:29,590 --> 01:24:26,960
which is an important point when it

2201
01:24:31,189 --> 01:24:29,600
comes comes to validating these cases

2202
01:24:34,390 --> 01:24:31,199
you know it actually

2203
01:24:37,350 --> 01:24:34,400
presents things um from the perspective

2204
01:24:39,669 --> 01:24:37,360
of um hey you know this person said this

2205
01:24:41,669 --> 01:24:39,679
that person said that they both worked

2206
01:24:43,189 --> 01:24:41,679
at the same base right patterson in the

2207
01:24:45,110 --> 01:24:43,199
same time frame

2208
01:24:47,510 --> 01:24:45,120
this is sort of an intriguing little

2209
01:24:49,350 --> 01:24:47,520
link up so um yeah i've got i think i've

2210
01:24:53,270 --> 01:24:49,360
got sort of five or six cases in the

2211
01:24:56,070 --> 01:24:53,280
book altogether of people who were um

2212
01:24:58,310 --> 01:24:56,080
sort of on duty or they were guards

2213
01:25:00,310 --> 01:24:58,320
um you know at certain places and they

2214
01:25:02,629 --> 01:25:00,320
had the opportunity to at least take a

2215
01:25:05,189 --> 01:25:02,639
glimpse of something and there's one

2216
01:25:07,510 --> 01:25:05,199
interesting case in the book where

2217
01:25:08,790 --> 01:25:07,520
the one of the military guys was exposed

2218
01:25:11,110 --> 01:25:08,800
to these

2219
01:25:13,590 --> 01:25:11,120
bodies in these tanks for no real reason

2220
01:25:16,070 --> 01:25:13,600
at all we couldn't fathom it out unless

2221
01:25:19,830 --> 01:25:16,080
as he suspected it was either a test of

2222
01:25:21,430 --> 01:25:19,840
his loyalty if he stayed quiet or maybe

2223
01:25:23,830 --> 01:25:21,440
somebody on the inside was hoping he

2224
01:25:25,350 --> 01:25:23,840
would get the story out to see what the

2225
01:25:27,669 --> 01:25:25,360
you know the public

2226
01:25:31,110 --> 01:25:27,679
reaction was in relation to all this you

2227
01:25:34,149 --> 01:25:31,120
know um would people panic um

2228
01:25:35,510 --> 01:25:34,159
you know would they um

2229
01:25:37,270 --> 01:25:35,520
you know would they accept it would they

2230
01:25:39,350 --> 01:25:37,280
think it was nonsense and i think that

2231
01:25:41,350 --> 01:25:39,360
does sometimes happen that you know

2232
01:25:42,310 --> 01:25:41,360
store legitimate stories are put out

2233
01:25:43,590 --> 01:25:42,320
there

2234
01:25:47,030 --> 01:25:43,600
just to see

2235
01:25:49,590 --> 01:25:47,040
you know what the the current um

2236
01:25:51,189 --> 01:25:49,600
sort of stance and opinion is of you

2237
01:25:52,790 --> 01:25:51,199
know of the people

2238
01:25:55,590 --> 01:25:52,800
how are they going to

2239
01:25:57,110 --> 01:25:55,600
you know respond to all this and um

2240
01:25:58,790 --> 01:25:57,120
what would they do if we told them you

2241
01:26:00,470 --> 01:25:58,800
know that kind of things

2242
01:26:02,149 --> 01:26:00,480
right right um

2243
01:26:04,470 --> 01:26:02,159
now i've that story you were just

2244
01:26:07,189 --> 01:26:04,480
talking about i read that in your book

2245
01:26:09,350 --> 01:26:07,199
um and it was sort of like men and black

2246
01:26:11,270 --> 01:26:09,360
type people that were escorting this guy

2247
01:26:12,550 --> 01:26:11,280
and then made him sign all kinds of

2248
01:26:14,790 --> 01:26:12,560
documents

2249
01:26:16,470 --> 01:26:14,800
uh well that's our story another weird

2250
01:26:18,790 --> 01:26:16,480
part of the story now whether it was

2251
01:26:20,950 --> 01:26:18,800
done for show or they were you know some

2252
01:26:22,950 --> 01:26:20,960
of the really genuinely weird

2253
01:26:26,229 --> 01:26:22,960
um man in black it's

2254
01:26:27,590 --> 01:26:26,239
difficult to say but this particular um

2255
01:26:30,070 --> 01:26:27,600
case you're talking about yeah the

2256
01:26:33,430 --> 01:26:30,080
witness was taken down to this sort of

2257
01:26:36,149 --> 01:26:33,440
bunker-like area to see these um

2258
01:26:38,550 --> 01:26:36,159
preserved aliens but they weren't taken

2259
01:26:41,189 --> 01:26:38,560
down by what you would call regular sort

2260
01:26:43,350 --> 01:26:41,199
of military personnel or mps or anything

2261
01:26:45,270 --> 01:26:43,360
like that they were these sort of creepy

2262
01:26:49,110 --> 01:26:45,280
looking um

2263
01:26:50,870 --> 01:26:49,120
pale faced guys in black suits and

2264
01:26:52,870 --> 01:26:50,880
you know they they were just sort of

2265
01:26:54,790 --> 01:26:52,880
really weird looking like straight out

2266
01:26:56,629 --> 01:26:54,800
the men in black who were saving point

2267
01:26:58,310 --> 01:26:56,639
pleasant west virginia when the mothman

2268
01:27:01,030 --> 01:26:58,320
cited the heights

2269
01:27:02,790 --> 01:27:01,040
in the 60s and um

2270
01:27:04,790 --> 01:27:02,800
you know when it comes to something like

2271
01:27:08,709 --> 01:27:04,800
that as i said either it was stage

2272
01:27:10,310 --> 01:27:08,719
managed you know to sort of um

2273
01:27:12,550 --> 01:27:10,320
to sort of convince the witness that

2274
01:27:13,669 --> 01:27:12,560
there was more to it or you know it

2275
01:27:15,750 --> 01:27:13,679
really was

2276
01:27:18,070 --> 01:27:15,760
all the government is working with

2277
01:27:20,070 --> 01:27:18,080
whatever these stranger men in black are

2278
01:27:21,669 --> 01:27:20,080
or maybe a bit of both who knows but i

2279
01:27:23,510 --> 01:27:21,679
definitely think in that case there was

2280
01:27:26,149 --> 01:27:23,520
some sort of um

2281
01:27:29,189 --> 01:27:26,159
like a mind manipulation or like a

2282
01:27:30,830 --> 01:27:29,199
psychological testing of the guy to see

2283
01:27:34,709 --> 01:27:30,840
what his reaction at least was going to

2284
01:27:36,709 --> 01:27:34,719
be um let's see now uh some people in

2285
01:27:39,270 --> 01:27:36,719
the chat room over eventually just to

2286
01:27:40,790 --> 01:27:39,280
let you know on our home page i've been

2287
01:27:42,390 --> 01:27:40,800
running a chat room but eventually i'm

2288
01:27:44,390 --> 01:27:42,400
going to try to migrate everyone over to

2289
01:27:46,390 --> 01:27:44,400
youtube and i got to figure out how that

2290
01:27:49,270 --> 01:27:46,400
how to work that just to

2291
01:27:51,189 --> 01:27:49,280
that's just a question that came up

2292
01:27:54,149 --> 01:27:51,199
online here now

2293
01:27:56,229 --> 01:27:54,159
uh in the forum another question was

2294
01:28:00,390 --> 01:27:56,239
have you ever done any research

2295
01:28:02,709 --> 01:28:00,400
on val thor valiant thor

2296
01:28:05,350 --> 01:28:02,719
i actually have um just one quick thing

2297
01:28:08,070 --> 01:28:05,360
before i get to that i made a mistake in

2298
01:28:10,790 --> 01:28:08,080
when i was just talking about the the um

2299
01:28:12,310 --> 01:28:10,800
the los angeles ones the uh i sure what

2300
01:28:14,390 --> 01:28:12,320
i meant to say was that you know we had

2301
01:28:17,350 --> 01:28:14,400
pearl harbor in december 41

2302
01:28:19,510 --> 01:28:17,360
but the the sightings over los angeles

2303
01:28:21,990 --> 01:28:19,520
were actually february 42. it was just a

2304
01:28:26,390 --> 01:28:22,000
couple of months later but that the war

2305
01:28:30,310 --> 01:28:28,070
but i just wanted to to correct that

2306
01:28:31,750 --> 01:28:30,320
thing sure but um yeah it was about

2307
01:28:33,750 --> 01:28:31,760
thought um

2308
01:28:35,510 --> 01:28:33,760
funnily enough i've got a another book

2309
01:28:37,189 --> 01:28:35,520
uh that came out towards the end of last

2310
01:28:40,709 --> 01:28:37,199
year immortality of the gods which

2311
01:28:43,189 --> 01:28:40,719
actually has a a chapter in there um

2312
01:28:46,870 --> 01:28:43,199
where a woman actually claimed to have

2313
01:28:49,510 --> 01:28:46,880
met and chatted with uh val thor

2314
01:28:51,830 --> 01:28:49,520
in the 2000s now for people who aren't

2315
01:28:53,750 --> 01:28:51,840
aware of the story it came from a man

2316
01:28:56,870 --> 01:28:53,760
named frank strange's

2317
01:28:58,550 --> 01:28:56,880
um who back in the daughter of the 1960s

2318
01:29:00,470 --> 01:28:58,560
wrote a book called strangers at the

2319
01:29:03,030 --> 01:29:00,480
pentagon or stranger at the pentagon

2320
01:29:05,510 --> 01:29:03,040
excuse me and he told the story of this

2321
01:29:08,709 --> 01:29:05,520
man whose name or alien whose name was

2322
01:29:10,870 --> 01:29:08,719
supposedly valium thor who looked just

2323
01:29:12,790 --> 01:29:10,880
like a regular person

2324
01:29:14,950 --> 01:29:12,800
and the story was that he sort of

2325
01:29:16,390 --> 01:29:14,960
infiltrated the higher levels of the

2326
01:29:17,990 --> 01:29:16,400
pentagon

2327
01:29:19,590 --> 01:29:18,000
not infiltrated from a sinister

2328
01:29:21,990 --> 01:29:19,600
perspective but more from the

2329
01:29:25,270 --> 01:29:22,000
perspective of trying to

2330
01:29:28,629 --> 01:29:25,280
get us to sort of curb our warlike ways

2331
01:29:33,030 --> 01:29:28,639
and um and sort of mold us and from the

2332
01:29:35,270 --> 01:29:33,040
inside so to speak and um reportedly

2333
01:29:37,590 --> 01:29:35,280
valiant thor was not the only one like

2334
01:29:40,870 --> 01:29:37,600
this that there were supposedly

2335
01:29:43,510 --> 01:29:40,880
untold number of um

2336
01:29:45,270 --> 01:29:43,520
very human looking aliens um on the

2337
01:29:46,229 --> 01:29:45,280
planet and specifically throughout the

2338
01:29:48,310 --> 01:29:46,239
us

2339
01:29:50,310 --> 01:29:48,320
in this sort of immediate period after

2340
01:29:51,750 --> 01:29:50,320
the end of the war and when the cold war

2341
01:29:53,030 --> 01:29:51,760
started now

2342
01:29:54,550 --> 01:29:53,040
as i mentioned earlier i'm very

2343
01:29:57,510 --> 01:29:54,560
interested in the whole

2344
01:30:00,709 --> 01:29:57,520
contact team movement and certainly this

2345
01:30:03,189 --> 01:30:00,719
was um that period when numerous people

2346
01:30:04,470 --> 01:30:03,199
were claiming to see um human-like

2347
01:30:06,149 --> 01:30:04,480
aliens and

2348
01:30:09,110 --> 01:30:06,159
a lot of these reports were taken very

2349
01:30:11,590 --> 01:30:09,120
seriously by the authorities for example

2350
01:30:14,390 --> 01:30:11,600
the fbi has declassified its files on

2351
01:30:17,430 --> 01:30:14,400
people like georgia damski george van

2352
01:30:19,669 --> 01:30:17,440
tassel truman bathroom uh george hunt

2353
01:30:20,870 --> 01:30:19,679
williamson who are all contactees who

2354
01:30:22,790 --> 01:30:20,880
claimed

2355
01:30:24,950 --> 01:30:22,800
contact with with human-looking aliens

2356
01:30:27,270 --> 01:30:24,960
but the story of valiant thor

2357
01:30:29,990 --> 01:30:27,280
as i said told in the book stranger at

2358
01:30:31,430 --> 01:30:30,000
the pentagon um sort of really digs deep

2359
01:30:36,149 --> 01:30:31,440
into how

2360
01:30:38,790 --> 01:30:36,159
strange is supposedly met um thor and um

2361
01:30:40,709 --> 01:30:38,800
sort of told was told of his agenda on

2362
01:30:43,030 --> 01:30:40,719
the planet and um

2363
01:30:45,430 --> 01:30:43,040
and the agenda of his people and so on

2364
01:30:48,790 --> 01:30:45,440
and uh and admittedly it does kind of

2365
01:30:51,750 --> 01:30:48,800
sound like you know sort of 1950s era

2366
01:30:53,910 --> 01:30:51,760
hollywood sci-fi movie type situations

2367
01:30:56,070 --> 01:30:53,920
not unlike the the day the earth stood

2368
01:30:58,070 --> 01:30:56,080
still and interestingly enough a number

2369
01:31:01,350 --> 01:30:58,080
of researchers have suggested

2370
01:31:03,910 --> 01:31:01,360
that the day the earth stood still movie

2371
01:31:06,790 --> 01:31:03,920
may actually have been sort of a test

2372
01:31:09,910 --> 01:31:06,800
um of public opinion that perhaps the

2373
01:31:11,830 --> 01:31:09,920
military offered some sort of influence

2374
01:31:14,390 --> 01:31:11,840
or you know a little bit of push and

2375
01:31:15,510 --> 01:31:14,400
shove to get the movie made

2376
01:31:17,990 --> 01:31:15,520
um

2377
01:31:20,629 --> 01:31:18,000
so the the story of valiant thor as i

2378
01:31:23,910 --> 01:31:20,639
said is it goes back to the 50s and then

2379
01:31:25,990 --> 01:31:23,920
the book was published in the 60s and um

2380
01:31:28,310 --> 01:31:26,000
there's a couple of new books out i

2381
01:31:31,350 --> 01:31:28,320
noticed actually the other day on amazon

2382
01:31:33,510 --> 01:31:31,360
about uh valiant thought and i said in

2383
01:31:35,510 --> 01:31:33,520
my immortality the gods book which came

2384
01:31:37,510 --> 01:31:35,520
out towards the end of last year i got

2385
01:31:39,030 --> 01:31:37,520
an entire chapter in there on as i said

2386
01:31:41,510 --> 01:31:39,040
this woman who

2387
01:31:44,149 --> 01:31:41,520
claimed to have met him just a few years

2388
01:31:45,910 --> 01:31:44,159
ago and also claim that he didn't seem

2389
01:31:47,750 --> 01:31:45,920
to have aged there's a there's like a

2390
01:31:49,910 --> 01:31:47,760
famous photograph you can find of him

2391
01:31:51,750 --> 01:31:49,920
online and wearing like a black suit and

2392
01:31:54,790 --> 01:31:51,760
sort of slick black hair

2393
01:31:57,430 --> 01:31:54,800
um and she said apart from the hair

2394
01:31:59,270 --> 01:31:57,440
style and the clothing which was both

2395
01:32:01,910 --> 01:31:59,280
different obviously you know sort of 60

2396
01:32:04,149 --> 01:32:01,920
years later he appeared not to have aged

2397
01:32:07,750 --> 01:32:04,159
um you know which in itself is sort of a

2398
01:32:10,070 --> 01:32:07,760
an interesting thing wow yeah now

2399
01:32:12,550 --> 01:32:10,080
you know forgive me if uh you have

2400
01:32:14,709 --> 01:32:12,560
already written a book on contactees but

2401
01:32:17,510 --> 01:32:14,719
is that something that you're thinking

2402
01:32:19,430 --> 01:32:17,520
about doing if you haven't done it yet

2403
01:32:20,870 --> 01:32:19,440
um well actually i did do a book on the

2404
01:32:24,390 --> 01:32:20,880
subject in

2405
01:32:28,870 --> 01:32:24,400
2009 which had the uh amazingly original

2406
01:32:33,189 --> 01:32:30,790
and so i i can't i actually talk about

2407
01:32:36,310 --> 01:32:33,199
that case in the book and um the book's

2408
01:32:38,790 --> 01:32:36,320
sort of a study of the entire

2409
01:32:40,629 --> 01:32:38,800
context phenomenon from the witness

2410
01:32:43,669 --> 01:32:40,639
reports to how

2411
01:32:45,830 --> 01:32:43,679
he had these cases had an impact on not

2412
01:32:48,390 --> 01:32:45,840
just ufology but the public and

2413
01:32:50,550 --> 01:32:48,400
hollywood and even the military and you

2414
01:32:52,790 --> 01:32:50,560
know the governments who got caught up

2415
01:32:54,390 --> 01:32:52,800
in this as well um

2416
01:32:56,310 --> 01:32:54,400
and also how

2417
01:32:58,709 --> 01:32:56,320
you know this sort of

2418
01:33:00,390 --> 01:32:58,719
almost like a pre hippie culture was

2419
01:33:02,629 --> 01:33:00,400
created where a lot of the

2420
01:33:05,030 --> 01:33:02,639
contactees suddenly became what you

2421
01:33:07,110 --> 01:33:05,040
would call sort of like gurus you know

2422
01:33:09,510 --> 01:33:07,120
and they had huge followings and people

2423
01:33:11,590 --> 01:33:09,520
are influenced by them so it's much as

2424
01:33:15,030 --> 01:33:11,600
much as sort of a study of the

2425
01:33:17,990 --> 01:33:15,040
phenomenon as it is a study of it from a

2426
01:33:20,229 --> 01:33:18,000
like a sociological perspective as well

2427
01:33:23,110 --> 01:33:20,239
um and also looking at the government

2428
01:33:25,270 --> 01:33:23,120
files on the contact tees i mean that's

2429
01:33:28,070 --> 01:33:25,280
one of the ironic things that i like

2430
01:33:30,950 --> 01:33:28,080
telling those who are skeptical of the

2431
01:33:32,870 --> 01:33:30,960
contact t era is that you know people

2432
01:33:34,790 --> 01:33:32,880
are always saying oh and if the

2433
01:33:37,030 --> 01:33:34,800
government's watching me and if there's

2434
01:33:39,030 --> 01:33:37,040
a file on me you know that kind of thing

2435
01:33:41,030 --> 01:33:39,040
i have so many people who you know worry

2436
01:33:43,030 --> 01:33:41,040
there's a file on them and yet they have

2437
01:33:46,070 --> 01:33:43,040
no time for the contact team movement

2438
01:33:47,669 --> 01:33:46,080
and yet ironically the contactees were

2439
01:33:50,709 --> 01:33:47,679
some of the people are the biggest files

2440
01:33:54,390 --> 01:33:50,719
of all um george van tassel

2441
01:33:56,950 --> 01:33:54,400
who had um space brother type encounters

2442
01:33:59,110 --> 01:33:56,960
out at giant rock california and held

2443
01:34:01,750 --> 01:33:59,120
these um huge conferences outdoor

2444
01:34:04,709 --> 01:34:01,760
conferences at giant rock his fbi files

2445
01:34:07,110 --> 01:34:04,719
like about 320 pages long georgia

2446
01:34:09,669 --> 01:34:07,120
damskis is about 120.

2447
01:34:12,470 --> 01:34:09,679
uh georgetown williamson's is about 50.

2448
01:34:15,990 --> 01:34:12,480
you know you go on and on the people who

2449
01:34:18,310 --> 01:34:16,000
a lot of today's um ufology ridicule and

2450
01:34:20,470 --> 01:34:18,320
dismiss with some of the people being

2451
01:34:23,510 --> 01:34:20,480
most closely watched of all

2452
01:34:26,870 --> 01:34:23,520
in the 50s you know so that that's an

2453
01:34:28,709 --> 01:34:26,880
important thing i mean yeah now i had i

2454
01:34:30,070 --> 01:34:28,719
can't remember which contact he but it

2455
01:34:32,790 --> 01:34:30,080
was someone that was

2456
01:34:35,430 --> 01:34:32,800
associated doing a lot of work um in

2457
01:34:37,270 --> 01:34:35,440
europe he was on the show and forget i

2458
01:34:39,350 --> 01:34:37,280
just can't remember who it is

2459
01:34:42,629 --> 01:34:39,360
but some of the claims that these

2460
01:34:45,189 --> 01:34:42,639
contactees were making or were just

2461
01:34:48,070 --> 01:34:45,199
uh actually laughable you know like

2462
01:34:48,950 --> 01:34:48,080
living on uh venus and uh

2463
01:34:51,189 --> 01:34:48,960
uh

2464
01:34:52,950 --> 01:34:51,199
going to jupiter and and and things like

2465
01:34:54,550 --> 01:34:52,960
that um

2466
01:34:56,149 --> 01:34:54,560
did you get right you're absolutely

2467
01:34:58,550 --> 01:34:56,159
right i mean i don't sort of look at

2468
01:35:01,510 --> 01:34:58,560
these uncritically and there is some

2469
01:35:02,390 --> 01:35:01,520
evidence that in a lot of these cases

2470
01:35:04,070 --> 01:35:02,400
that

2471
01:35:06,149 --> 01:35:04,080
the witnesses

2472
01:35:07,830 --> 01:35:06,159
uh who met these long-haired

2473
01:35:09,669 --> 01:35:07,840
human-looking aliens that became known

2474
01:35:12,550 --> 01:35:09,679
as the space brothers that they were

2475
01:35:14,790 --> 01:35:12,560
actually being manipulated in to some

2476
01:35:16,149 --> 01:35:14,800
degree and there's all sorts of theories

2477
01:35:18,229 --> 01:35:16,159
i talk about

2478
01:35:20,709 --> 01:35:18,239
in relation to what this manipulation

2479
01:35:21,669 --> 01:35:20,719
might be now some people believe they're

2480
01:35:23,030 --> 01:35:21,679
actually

2481
01:35:25,350 --> 01:35:23,040
like us

2482
01:35:27,830 --> 01:35:25,360
intelligence agents who were

2483
01:35:30,310 --> 01:35:27,840
fabricating events to try and

2484
01:35:31,350 --> 01:35:30,320
determine how quickly belief systems

2485
01:35:32,470 --> 01:35:31,360
could be

2486
01:35:35,030 --> 01:35:32,480
um

2487
01:35:37,270 --> 01:35:35,040
created and how you know people would

2488
01:35:39,189 --> 01:35:37,280
begin to follow these belief systems you

2489
01:35:41,510 --> 01:35:39,199
know again from a sociological level

2490
01:35:42,950 --> 01:35:41,520
then there was a theory that actually a

2491
01:35:45,350 --> 01:35:42,960
number of people

2492
01:35:49,109 --> 01:35:45,360
in uh military intelligence over here

2493
01:35:51,109 --> 01:35:49,119
felt was that the contactees were being

2494
01:35:52,070 --> 01:35:51,119
sort of manipulated by the soviets

2495
01:35:54,149 --> 01:35:52,080
because

2496
01:35:55,109 --> 01:35:54,159
george adamsky in particular said that

2497
01:35:56,870 --> 01:35:55,119
the

2498
01:35:59,030 --> 01:35:56,880
human-looking aliens he met were

2499
01:36:00,470 --> 01:35:59,040
communists they had a communist type of

2500
01:36:03,109 --> 01:36:00,480
government and that was one of the main

2501
01:36:05,350 --> 01:36:03,119
reasons why the fbi opened a file on

2502
01:36:06,470 --> 01:36:05,360
adamski because he was this guy

2503
01:36:07,830 --> 01:36:06,480
selling

2504
01:36:09,830 --> 01:36:07,840
you know literally these first book

2505
01:36:11,350 --> 01:36:09,840
flying sources of landed sold in six

2506
01:36:13,270 --> 01:36:11,360
figures you know that's how many copies

2507
01:36:15,430 --> 01:36:13,280
it sold um

2508
01:36:16,870 --> 01:36:15,440
and he was talking about the aliens

2509
01:36:19,270 --> 01:36:16,880
being communists so that was one of the

2510
01:36:21,830 --> 01:36:19,280
reasons why he was closely watched and

2511
01:36:25,030 --> 01:36:21,840
there was a theory that well what if

2512
01:36:27,350 --> 01:36:25,040
adamski was actually you know sort of

2513
01:36:29,510 --> 01:36:27,360
being deceived and they really they look

2514
01:36:32,070 --> 01:36:29,520
so human because they were but they were

2515
01:36:34,950 --> 01:36:32,080
sort of you know soviet plants and then

2516
01:36:37,669 --> 01:36:34,960
you had the theory that the aliens

2517
01:36:40,229 --> 01:36:37,679
themselves were deceiving us by giving

2518
01:36:42,790 --> 01:36:40,239
fake names and places where they came

2519
01:36:45,189 --> 01:36:42,800
from as a means to try and

2520
01:36:47,109 --> 01:36:45,199
get to know us and influence us but in a

2521
01:36:49,669 --> 01:36:47,119
way where we would never stand a chance

2522
01:36:52,149 --> 01:36:49,679
to really understand who or what they

2523
01:36:53,350 --> 01:36:52,159
what they were or are and they would do

2524
01:36:55,590 --> 01:36:53,360
that by

2525
01:36:57,830 --> 01:36:55,600
constantly moving the goal post of where

2526
01:37:00,229 --> 01:36:57,840
they were from and creating these

2527
01:37:02,950 --> 01:37:00,239
sort of bizarre stories to

2528
01:37:05,510 --> 01:37:02,960
you know keep us in sort of a state of

2529
01:37:08,070 --> 01:37:05,520
like constant confusion really or you

2530
01:37:09,430 --> 01:37:08,080
could make the case that as is certainly

2531
01:37:10,790 --> 01:37:09,440
the case with some of them that they

2532
01:37:13,669 --> 01:37:10,800
were just

2533
01:37:15,750 --> 01:37:13,679
fake as hoaxers or fantasists i mean

2534
01:37:17,590 --> 01:37:15,760
there was that aspect to it as well as

2535
01:37:20,390 --> 01:37:17,600
unfortunately there is in

2536
01:37:22,310 --> 01:37:20,400
every aspect you know i'm you know i'm

2537
01:37:24,070 --> 01:37:22,320
sort of fairly confident that

2538
01:37:25,669 --> 01:37:24,080
most of the people i've well very

2539
01:37:27,510 --> 01:37:25,679
confident that most of the people i've

2540
01:37:29,910 --> 01:37:27,520
interviewed over the years are just

2541
01:37:31,270 --> 01:37:29,920
genuine good people want to know what

2542
01:37:33,189 --> 01:37:31,280
they saw

2543
01:37:35,189 --> 01:37:33,199
um or just want to share their stories

2544
01:37:38,870 --> 01:37:35,199
but unfortunately in any aspect of this

2545
01:37:39,990 --> 01:37:38,880
subject you you do get hoaxes you know

2546
01:37:41,910 --> 01:37:40,000
and um

2547
01:37:44,550 --> 01:37:41,920
we just have to deal with them and hope

2548
01:37:46,229 --> 01:37:44,560
we don't get taken in too often but

2549
01:37:48,070 --> 01:37:46,239
there's no doubt that you know the the

2550
01:37:49,590 --> 01:37:48,080
contact team movement did have its

2551
01:37:51,830 --> 01:37:49,600
hoaxes

2552
01:37:52,709 --> 01:37:51,840
absolutely yes um

2553
01:37:54,709 --> 01:37:52,719
um

2554
01:37:56,070 --> 01:37:54,719
ray stanford who's been on the show a

2555
01:37:58,870 --> 01:37:56,080
number of times

2556
01:38:01,910 --> 01:37:58,880
was uh a young i think 17 him and his

2557
01:38:03,910 --> 01:38:01,920
twin brother were out at great rock i

2558
01:38:06,550 --> 01:38:03,920
think that's what it's called right

2559
01:38:08,629 --> 01:38:06,560
giant rock yeah giant rock and uh there

2560
01:38:10,629 --> 01:38:08,639
was uh some there was a lot of people

2561
01:38:12,550 --> 01:38:10,639
there and they all kind of trickled away

2562
01:38:13,350 --> 01:38:12,560
and his brother and him kind of stayed

2563
01:38:16,550 --> 01:38:13,360
back

2564
01:38:17,910 --> 01:38:16,560
and uh george came up to him and this is

2565
01:38:20,470 --> 01:38:17,920
according to ray

2566
01:38:23,030 --> 01:38:20,480
uh came up to him and said you you two

2567
01:38:25,109 --> 01:38:23,040
are like nice young fellas he says why

2568
01:38:28,310 --> 01:38:25,119
don't you get lost this is all just a

2569
01:38:32,229 --> 01:38:30,070
and well you know i think that would be

2570
01:38:34,790 --> 01:38:32,239
that could be the case i mean as i said

2571
01:38:36,790 --> 01:38:34,800
um it was there's no doubt that whatever

2572
01:38:38,709 --> 01:38:36,800
people think of the contact team

2573
01:38:40,149 --> 01:38:38,719
movement whichever side they're on

2574
01:38:42,950 --> 01:38:40,159
there's no doubt in my mind it's the

2575
01:38:46,390 --> 01:38:42,960
most controversial side of ufology

2576
01:38:49,189 --> 01:38:46,400
period you know the idea of human aliens

2577
01:38:51,990 --> 01:38:49,199
coming to earth and you know um hanging

2578
01:38:53,990 --> 01:38:52,000
out with people in the desert um

2579
01:38:55,830 --> 01:38:54,000
you know it it is controversial it does

2580
01:38:57,430 --> 01:38:55,840
kind of sound straight out of you know

2581
01:39:00,310 --> 01:38:57,440
the day the earth stood still that sort

2582
01:39:04,229 --> 01:39:00,320
of thing um but again i think what

2583
01:39:06,870 --> 01:39:04,239
interested certainly the government was

2584
01:39:09,590 --> 01:39:06,880
the sheer effect these stories had on

2585
01:39:11,430 --> 01:39:09,600
people you know on a massive scale i

2586
01:39:13,189 --> 01:39:11,440
mean at the height regardless what

2587
01:39:16,310 --> 01:39:13,199
people think of george van tasled at

2588
01:39:18,790 --> 01:39:16,320
giant rock at the height of his um ufo

2589
01:39:21,830 --> 01:39:18,800
conventions out in the desert he was

2590
01:39:24,310 --> 01:39:21,840
attracting 11 000 people now if you're

2591
01:39:26,790 --> 01:39:24,320
attracting 11 000 people and you've got

2592
01:39:29,030 --> 01:39:26,800
speakers who are saying that the aliens

2593
01:39:30,790 --> 01:39:29,040
want us to you know drop our type of

2594
01:39:33,109 --> 01:39:30,800
government and have a more communist

2595
01:39:34,629 --> 01:39:33,119
type government you can easily

2596
01:39:37,830 --> 01:39:34,639
understand how

2597
01:39:39,510 --> 01:39:37,840
a phenomenon that might be ridiculous

2598
01:39:41,750 --> 01:39:39,520
could actually become a national

2599
01:39:42,629 --> 01:39:41,760
security issue you see what i mean yeah

2600
01:39:43,590 --> 01:39:42,639
so

2601
01:39:45,270 --> 01:39:43,600
i think

2602
01:39:47,750 --> 01:39:45,280
that's that's one of the reasons that

2603
01:39:49,510 --> 01:39:47,760
fascinates me you know i'm not like a

2604
01:39:51,189 --> 01:39:49,520
full-on believer that everything the

2605
01:39:53,669 --> 01:39:51,199
contractor he said is true i don't

2606
01:39:55,510 --> 01:39:53,679
believe that at all but i am sort of

2607
01:39:58,629 --> 01:39:55,520
fascinated by

2608
01:40:01,270 --> 01:39:58,639
how it became a massive part of popular

2609
01:40:02,550 --> 01:40:01,280
culture and how and why

2610
01:40:05,350 --> 01:40:02,560
there were people in government who were

2611
01:40:07,590 --> 01:40:05,360
concerned regardless of you know the

2612
01:40:09,109 --> 01:40:07,600
truth behind these stories or not it was

2613
01:40:11,669 --> 01:40:09,119
still something that

2614
01:40:14,629 --> 01:40:11,679
really got people's attention who do you

2615
01:40:15,350 --> 01:40:14,639
think today's george ademski

2616
01:40:18,629 --> 01:40:15,360
is

2617
01:40:19,750 --> 01:40:18,639
um stephen stephen greer

2618
01:40:21,350 --> 01:40:19,760
i mean

2619
01:40:25,189 --> 01:40:21,360
someone just wrote that earlier the

2620
01:40:28,470 --> 01:40:25,199
ironic thing is i i rarely get contactee

2621
01:40:30,790 --> 01:40:28,480
reports today at all um now there are

2622
01:40:33,270 --> 01:40:30,800
some and as i said i got that one of um

2623
01:40:35,590 --> 01:40:33,280
the valiant thor story but i think the

2624
01:40:36,550 --> 01:40:35,600
reason the the girl picked me out was

2625
01:40:38,470 --> 01:40:36,560
because

2626
01:40:42,149 --> 01:40:38,480
i specifically had written about him in

2627
01:40:44,790 --> 01:40:42,159
the contact he's book um well let me

2628
01:40:46,870 --> 01:40:44,800
i should rephrase the question um

2629
01:40:47,910 --> 01:40:46,880
what i meant to say is who is the one

2630
01:40:49,590 --> 01:40:47,920
that's

2631
01:40:51,990 --> 01:40:49,600
getting all the people

2632
01:40:54,709 --> 01:40:52,000
interested today like get in a gathering

2633
01:40:56,070 --> 01:40:54,719
of say who could gather 11 000 people in

2634
01:40:58,149 --> 01:40:56,080
this field

2635
01:41:01,350 --> 01:40:58,159
i don't think there really is anyone or

2636
01:41:02,950 --> 01:41:01,360
i'm not sure anybody could actually

2637
01:41:04,790 --> 01:41:02,960
um you know if you look at most

2638
01:41:08,310 --> 01:41:04,800
conferences i go to

2639
01:41:10,229 --> 01:41:08,320
you know um you get um

2640
01:41:13,189 --> 01:41:10,239
three or four hundred people

2641
01:41:14,550 --> 01:41:13,199
um i think the ufo congress last year

2642
01:41:16,070 --> 01:41:14,560
was probably one of the biggest i've

2643
01:41:17,910 --> 01:41:16,080
done in a long time i think it was about

2644
01:41:19,430 --> 01:41:17,920
eight or nine hundred people then that

2645
01:41:20,310 --> 01:41:19,440
was really good you know that's a great

2646
01:41:22,629 --> 01:41:20,320
figure

2647
01:41:24,390 --> 01:41:22,639
um but i'm not sure anybody can today

2648
01:41:27,030 --> 01:41:24,400
can kind of rustle up

2649
01:41:29,030 --> 01:41:27,040
you know five six ten thousand people

2650
01:41:32,310 --> 01:41:29,040
now when i went to the

2651
01:41:34,470 --> 01:41:32,320
mothman festival uh in point pleasant uh

2652
01:41:37,350 --> 01:41:34,480
west virginia last september this

2653
01:41:39,590 --> 01:41:37,360
september just gone that was the 50th

2654
01:41:41,390 --> 01:41:39,600
anniversary of the mothman sightings

2655
01:41:45,270 --> 01:41:41,400
that began in

2656
01:41:47,189 --> 01:41:45,280
1966. now that festival is pretty much

2657
01:41:49,109 --> 01:41:47,199
outside apart from the lectures which

2658
01:41:51,109 --> 01:41:49,119
are inside you know everything goes on

2659
01:41:53,750 --> 01:41:51,119
outside like for example there's people

2660
01:41:55,590 --> 01:41:53,760
selling muffman fridge magnets and

2661
01:41:58,229 --> 01:41:55,600
t-shirts and you know you can have

2662
01:42:00,870 --> 01:41:58,239
muffin tattoos and earpieces all sorts

2663
01:42:03,830 --> 01:42:00,880
of stuff um but but that's like an

2664
01:42:06,870 --> 01:42:03,840
outdoor festival that actually last year

2665
01:42:08,790 --> 01:42:06,880
um just tipped 11 000 people who turned

2666
01:42:10,790 --> 01:42:08,800
up but a lot of those were like the

2667
01:42:11,669 --> 01:42:10,800
locals in the area who came along as

2668
01:42:13,510 --> 01:42:11,679
well

2669
01:42:15,750 --> 01:42:13,520
so it can be done

2670
01:42:18,149 --> 01:42:15,760
but it's like in that sense if that was

2671
01:42:19,669 --> 01:42:18,159
more like a very alternative way of

2672
01:42:21,830 --> 01:42:19,679
getting a big crowd you know because it

2673
01:42:23,590 --> 01:42:21,840
was almost like a like a county fair

2674
01:42:25,750 --> 01:42:23,600
that kind of thing that's how it's done

2675
01:42:27,990 --> 01:42:25,760
and i think that's why van tassel

2676
01:42:29,590 --> 01:42:28,000
attracted so many because it was like a

2677
01:42:31,510 --> 01:42:29,600
day out in the desert you know the old

2678
01:42:33,830 --> 01:42:31,520
family goes out and takes deck chairs

2679
01:42:35,590 --> 01:42:33,840
and you know snacks and beer and

2680
01:42:37,910 --> 01:42:35,600
everything else and just has a good time

2681
01:42:39,669 --> 01:42:37,920
listening to the ufo stories

2682
01:42:42,229 --> 01:42:39,679
that could still probably i think

2683
01:42:45,189 --> 01:42:42,239
attract that many because it's a fun day

2684
01:42:47,350 --> 01:42:45,199
out ufo conferences as such with sort of

2685
01:42:49,189 --> 01:42:47,360
six or seven people a day giving a

2686
01:42:51,189 --> 01:42:49,199
lecture on this or that

2687
01:42:54,550 --> 01:42:51,199
you know we're still sort of at the

2688
01:42:56,070 --> 01:42:54,560
three four five hundred figure and um

2689
01:42:57,189 --> 01:42:56,080
and i think that's sort of where it's

2690
01:42:58,950 --> 01:42:57,199
going to stay i don't think there's

2691
01:43:01,350 --> 01:42:58,960
anybody really who

2692
01:43:03,430 --> 01:43:01,360
jumps out and you know click of the

2693
01:43:05,430 --> 01:43:03,440
fingers and 2 000 people are going to

2694
01:43:07,350 --> 01:43:05,440
flock to them really well you know if it

2695
01:43:09,510 --> 01:43:07,360
if things change and it becomes more of

2696
01:43:11,669 --> 01:43:09,520
a pop culture type thing like a

2697
01:43:15,109 --> 01:43:11,679
comic-con or something like that i mean

2698
01:43:15,990 --> 01:43:15,119
yeah uh you know actually uh

2699
01:43:16,950 --> 01:43:16,000
uh

2700
01:43:20,390 --> 01:43:16,960
jason

2701
01:43:22,470 --> 01:43:20,400
was on this uh show recently it said

2702
01:43:25,990 --> 01:43:22,480
that he is actually going to a comic-con

2703
01:43:27,990 --> 01:43:26,000
with a uh more or less a ufo booth so i

2704
01:43:30,310 --> 01:43:28,000
think you know these things can change

2705
01:43:32,310 --> 01:43:30,320
it could become again more like i guess

2706
01:43:34,070 --> 01:43:32,320
it was pop culture at the time back then

2707
01:43:35,189 --> 01:43:34,080
the contact d movement

2708
01:43:37,109 --> 01:43:35,199
and um

2709
01:43:38,870 --> 01:43:37,119
uh you know and it kind of

2710
01:43:40,390 --> 01:43:38,880
in a way it kind of muddies the water

2711
01:43:42,790 --> 01:43:40,400
when that happens

2712
01:43:44,870 --> 01:43:42,800
um because so there's some people out

2713
01:43:46,149 --> 01:43:44,880
there trying to do some really thorough

2714
01:43:48,149 --> 01:43:46,159
research

2715
01:43:50,830 --> 01:43:48,159
that you know will no longer be taken

2716
01:43:53,669 --> 01:43:50,840
seriously if it all becomes just pop

2717
01:43:55,830 --> 01:43:53,679
culture yeah and i think you know that

2718
01:43:57,189 --> 01:43:55,840
the pop culture angle of it you know a

2719
01:43:59,910 --> 01:43:57,199
lot of people sort of say well it's not

2720
01:44:01,270 --> 01:43:59,920
a part of ufology but it actually is now

2721
01:44:02,870 --> 01:44:01,280
you know when you bring up sort of

2722
01:44:04,149 --> 01:44:02,880
comic-con i'm you know i've never been

2723
01:44:04,950 --> 01:44:04,159
to one of those things i'm not really

2724
01:44:06,550 --> 01:44:04,960
into

2725
01:44:08,470 --> 01:44:06,560
comic books and all that kind of stuff

2726
01:44:10,070 --> 01:44:08,480
but i do know friends who have been to

2727
01:44:11,830 --> 01:44:10,080
them and you know and they've said you

2728
01:44:14,070 --> 01:44:11,840
know these things are

2729
01:44:16,550 --> 01:44:14,080
gigantic and i kind of saw this in a way

2730
01:44:18,830 --> 01:44:16,560
when um i did a book uh called the

2731
01:44:21,270 --> 01:44:18,840
zombie book like an a to z book on

2732
01:44:24,790 --> 01:44:21,280
zombies a couple of years ago and i did

2733
01:44:26,070 --> 01:44:24,800
a like a zombie con here in dallas

2734
01:44:27,590 --> 01:44:26,080
and you know there were people from the

2735
01:44:30,550 --> 01:44:27,600
walking dead there and some of the

2736
01:44:33,430 --> 01:44:30,560
romero movies and that was jammed you

2737
01:44:35,189 --> 01:44:33,440
know and i can see how ufology could do

2738
01:44:37,750 --> 01:44:35,199
something like that but i think the

2739
01:44:39,430 --> 01:44:37,760
problem i actually do in a way that was

2740
01:44:41,830 --> 01:44:39,440
really it would be really entertaining

2741
01:44:43,510 --> 01:44:41,840
and fun but also informative i think the

2742
01:44:46,709 --> 01:44:43,520
problem is a lot of

2743
01:44:48,390 --> 01:44:46,719
ufo conference organizers feel that

2744
01:44:51,669 --> 01:44:48,400
if it's not 100

2745
01:44:54,390 --> 01:44:51,679
a conference with speakers wearing

2746
01:44:56,310 --> 01:44:54,400
shirts and ties if it's not that it's

2747
01:44:58,709 --> 01:44:56,320
somehow not credible

2748
01:45:01,109 --> 01:44:58,719
well you know you know me you saw me at

2749
01:45:05,030 --> 01:45:01,119
the conference last year you know i'm a

2750
01:45:07,910 --> 01:45:05,040
t-shirt and jeans and biker jackets

2751
01:45:09,430 --> 01:45:07,920
yeah pistons you know the whole lot

2752
01:45:10,870 --> 01:45:09,440
um

2753
01:45:12,629 --> 01:45:10,880
you know i don't dress like a bank

2754
01:45:14,229 --> 01:45:12,639
manager and i've had conference

2755
01:45:16,709 --> 01:45:14,239
organizers say well nick will have you

2756
01:45:18,390 --> 01:45:16,719
if you put a buy a shirt and tie

2757
01:45:20,390 --> 01:45:18,400
a jacket which i would actually i would

2758
01:45:23,109 --> 01:45:20,400
literally have to buy them because i

2759
01:45:25,990 --> 01:45:23,990
and

2760
01:45:28,470 --> 01:45:26,000
but the way i look at it is

2761
01:45:30,470 --> 01:45:28,480
you can have people on stage

2762
01:45:33,830 --> 01:45:30,480
giving a good presentation

2763
01:45:36,629 --> 01:45:33,840
keeping it informative keeping it fun

2764
01:45:40,310 --> 01:45:36,639
and then afterwards you all hang out in

2765
01:45:42,470 --> 01:45:40,320
sort of a a call kind of vibe situation

2766
01:45:45,189 --> 01:45:42,480
and not where it comes across like a

2767
01:45:48,310 --> 01:45:45,199
meeting at the united nations which you

2768
01:45:51,030 --> 01:45:48,320
know is kind of stuffy and and whatever

2769
01:45:53,750 --> 01:45:51,040
but so many people i think particularly

2770
01:45:56,790 --> 01:45:53,760
from the first wave of ufology think

2771
01:45:59,109 --> 01:45:56,800
they've got to take that approach or

2772
01:46:01,030 --> 01:45:59,119
they're not serious ufologists well the

2773
01:46:04,310 --> 01:46:01,040
thing is you're dealing with stories of

2774
01:46:05,750 --> 01:46:04,320
aliens you know you've got to make it

2775
01:46:08,310 --> 01:46:05,760
um

2776
01:46:12,390 --> 01:46:08,320
sort of amenable to people outside of

2777
01:46:14,950 --> 01:46:12,400
ufology uh to to bring them in you know

2778
01:46:17,590 --> 01:46:14,960
you've got to have more than just

2779
01:46:19,910 --> 01:46:17,600
an 80 year old guy on stage showing you

2780
01:46:22,470 --> 01:46:19,920
a picture of the pentagon you know

2781
01:46:25,109 --> 01:46:22,480
um and that's no disrespect it just the

2782
01:46:27,750 --> 01:46:25,119
fact is if we don't sort of i think get

2783
01:46:29,669 --> 01:46:27,760
more into like that sort of comic-con

2784
01:46:31,470 --> 01:46:29,679
approach and i don't see anything wrong

2785
01:46:35,189 --> 01:46:31,480
with that i don't think it sort of

2786
01:46:37,990 --> 01:46:35,199
de-legitimizes the subject to to keep it

2787
01:46:40,070 --> 01:46:38,000
you know entertaining and informative

2788
01:46:42,070 --> 01:46:40,080
um i don't see anything wrong with that

2789
01:46:44,310 --> 01:46:42,080
and i think it could actually be a good

2790
01:46:47,590 --> 01:46:44,320
way to go you know

2791
01:46:50,709 --> 01:46:47,600
right right um you know a lot of these

2792
01:46:53,270 --> 01:46:50,719
what i find in at the conferences myself

2793
01:46:55,270 --> 01:46:53,280
for myself that is is that uh it's the

2794
01:46:57,910 --> 01:46:55,280
hallways it's the uh

2795
01:47:00,310 --> 01:46:57,920
it's the uh dinner after or uh you know

2796
01:47:01,990 --> 01:47:00,320
going out with uh people after that yeah

2797
01:47:03,830 --> 01:47:02,000
you really hear the interesting stuff

2798
01:47:07,109 --> 01:47:03,840
and that's that's what i'm really

2799
01:47:08,870 --> 01:47:07,119
looking forward to coming up here um and

2800
01:47:11,030 --> 01:47:08,880
well that's something else i mean i

2801
01:47:13,350 --> 01:47:11,040
won't name names but you know one of the

2802
01:47:14,629 --> 01:47:13,360
things that really annoys me when i go

2803
01:47:17,030 --> 01:47:14,639
to a conference

2804
01:47:17,990 --> 01:47:17,040
is when you know certain speakers are

2805
01:47:21,270 --> 01:47:18,000
there

2806
01:47:22,790 --> 01:47:21,280
and they don't give time to the audience

2807
01:47:23,910 --> 01:47:22,800
you know the way i look at if i go to a

2808
01:47:25,750 --> 01:47:23,920
conference

2809
01:47:28,229 --> 01:47:25,760
and you know i'm speaking there and i

2810
01:47:30,070 --> 01:47:28,239
sell 30 books

2811
01:47:32,390 --> 01:47:30,080
you know you should you should spend

2812
01:47:34,149 --> 01:47:32,400
time with the people not just because

2813
01:47:36,229 --> 01:47:34,159
you feel it's right to be because you

2814
01:47:37,590 --> 01:47:36,239
want to and you know these are the

2815
01:47:38,950 --> 01:47:37,600
people who are

2816
01:47:41,030 --> 01:47:38,960
buying your books and coming to your

2817
01:47:41,910 --> 01:47:41,040
conference or your lecture

2818
01:47:44,149 --> 01:47:41,920
and

2819
01:47:46,229 --> 01:47:44,159
you know spend time with them sign books

2820
01:47:48,629 --> 01:47:46,239
get you know if they want pictures taken

2821
01:47:51,030 --> 01:47:48,639
you do that and you sign autographs and

2822
01:47:52,950 --> 01:47:51,040
things like that until everybody is

2823
01:47:54,149 --> 01:47:52,960
happy they've got what they want and you

2824
01:47:56,470 --> 01:47:54,159
don't as i said you don't do it at a

2825
01:47:58,390 --> 01:47:56,480
duty you do it because you want to do it

2826
01:48:00,950 --> 01:47:58,400
and it's the right thing to do but i've

2827
01:48:03,030 --> 01:48:00,960
i won't name names but so many times

2828
01:48:05,030 --> 01:48:03,040
i've seen people who are like

2829
01:48:06,470 --> 01:48:05,040
they do the lecture all they want to do

2830
01:48:08,310 --> 01:48:06,480
is sell the books and then they start

2831
01:48:09,830 --> 01:48:08,320
looking at the watch somebody wants to

2832
01:48:12,149 --> 01:48:09,840
speak to them i can see they're looking

2833
01:48:13,270 --> 01:48:12,159
around the room thinking i want to go i

2834
01:48:14,790 --> 01:48:13,280
want to leave

2835
01:48:17,350 --> 01:48:14,800
you know and i think that's one of the

2836
01:48:19,910 --> 01:48:17,360
problems is that um

2837
01:48:22,149 --> 01:48:19,920
people like that interaction and i like

2838
01:48:24,070 --> 01:48:22,159
that interaction you know i enjoy

2839
01:48:25,590 --> 01:48:24,080
hanging out at the bar after the the

2840
01:48:27,510 --> 01:48:25,600
gig's over you know and having a good

2841
01:48:29,270 --> 01:48:27,520
time um

2842
01:48:30,870 --> 01:48:29,280
and i don't have much time for those

2843
01:48:32,870 --> 01:48:30,880
people who just take themselves off to

2844
01:48:34,709 --> 01:48:32,880
their hotel room

2845
01:48:37,350 --> 01:48:34,719
you know don't bother me i'm an author

2846
01:48:39,030 --> 01:48:37,360
well big deal you know what i mean

2847
01:48:39,400 --> 01:48:39,040
get your sort of head out you you know

2848
01:48:40,470 --> 01:48:39,410
what

2849
01:48:43,910 --> 01:48:40,480
[Laughter]

2850
01:48:45,750 --> 01:48:43,920
yeah every time i saw you you were

2851
01:48:47,750 --> 01:48:45,760
signing books or people were lining up

2852
01:48:51,669 --> 01:48:47,760
to uh take pictures with you you

2853
01:48:56,310 --> 01:48:54,149
no no at your table at your table oh

2854
01:48:58,390 --> 01:48:56,320
well you know that that's because like i

2855
01:49:00,229 --> 01:48:58,400
said i enjoy doing it and it is the

2856
01:49:02,310 --> 01:49:00,239
right thing to do as well i mean people

2857
01:49:04,550 --> 01:49:02,320
are spending their money to come out and

2858
01:49:07,189 --> 01:49:04,560
see you you know like show some respect

2859
01:49:08,870 --> 01:49:07,199
right across like some arrogance

2860
01:49:11,430 --> 01:49:08,880
you know i think some of the people in

2861
01:49:13,270 --> 01:49:11,440
ufology think they're like

2862
01:49:16,149 --> 01:49:13,280
you know hollywood

2863
01:49:18,070 --> 01:49:16,159
mega stars or whatever they've got to be

2864
01:49:19,430 --> 01:49:18,080
you know treated like this and treated

2865
01:49:21,430 --> 01:49:19,440
like that well

2866
01:49:22,790 --> 01:49:21,440
no you know we the way i look at it

2867
01:49:24,790 --> 01:49:22,800
we're all in it together whether it's

2868
01:49:26,390 --> 01:49:24,800
like you know you with your show me

2869
01:49:29,030 --> 01:49:26,400
writing the books the witnesses sharing

2870
01:49:30,950 --> 01:49:29,040
their experiences somebody's got

2871
01:49:33,189 --> 01:49:30,960
a blog you know someone's got a youtube

2872
01:49:35,270 --> 01:49:33,199
channel we're all in it together looking

2873
01:49:36,870 --> 01:49:35,280
for answers oh that's how it should be

2874
01:49:39,910 --> 01:49:36,880
you know nobody's bigger than the

2875
01:49:41,830 --> 01:49:39,920
subject really right right now last year

2876
01:49:44,550 --> 01:49:41,840
um i know i mentioned this story before

2877
01:49:47,189 --> 01:49:44,560
but it's been such a long time but last

2878
01:49:49,430 --> 01:49:47,199
year at the ufo conference i went

2879
01:49:50,390 --> 01:49:49,440
next door to the casino there was food

2880
01:49:52,149 --> 01:49:50,400
over there

2881
01:49:53,669 --> 01:49:52,159
and there was a girl sitting outside i

2882
01:49:55,350 --> 01:49:53,679
was walking my dog

2883
01:49:56,870 --> 01:49:55,360
and just started chatting with her and

2884
01:49:59,270 --> 01:49:56,880
she goes what's going on next door and i

2885
01:50:01,030 --> 01:49:59,280
said hey there's a ufo conference and

2886
01:50:02,870 --> 01:50:01,040
um and so she goes oh you know i should

2887
01:50:04,950 --> 01:50:02,880
go over there and she says because i i

2888
01:50:06,870 --> 01:50:04,960
had something happen she tells me the

2889
01:50:07,910 --> 01:50:06,880
story uh i'm going to tell it real

2890
01:50:10,310 --> 01:50:07,920
quickly

2891
01:50:12,629 --> 01:50:10,320
it's just i love hearing stories from

2892
01:50:14,709 --> 01:50:12,639
i'm going to say outside people people

2893
01:50:17,030 --> 01:50:14,719
outside of the field

2894
01:50:18,629 --> 01:50:17,040
and so she and her friend were riding

2895
01:50:21,430 --> 01:50:18,639
along in their car not far away from

2896
01:50:23,510 --> 01:50:21,440
where the conference was in arizona

2897
01:50:25,109 --> 01:50:23,520
and a mesa or plateau or something like

2898
01:50:27,990 --> 01:50:25,119
that they saw this

2899
01:50:29,910 --> 01:50:28,000
this dark object like come over

2900
01:50:32,470 --> 01:50:29,920
down and over i can't remember what time

2901
01:50:34,310 --> 01:50:32,480
of day it was but it came over their car

2902
01:50:36,709 --> 01:50:34,320
and she just froze and that there was a

2903
01:50:37,510 --> 01:50:36,719
beam of light that came down

2904
01:50:43,270 --> 01:50:37,520
and

2905
01:50:46,229 --> 01:50:43,280
hit the gas

2906
01:50:48,470 --> 01:50:46,239
and they you know just kind of outran it

2907
01:50:50,550 --> 01:50:48,480
you know and it made no noise or

2908
01:50:52,390 --> 01:50:50,560
anything like that and then she said and

2909
01:50:53,350 --> 01:50:52,400
the strangest thing of all she said

2910
01:50:54,390 --> 01:50:53,360
about

2911
01:50:55,990 --> 01:50:54,400
um

2912
01:50:57,589 --> 01:50:56,000
ten minutes later

2913
01:50:59,350 --> 01:50:57,599
all of a sudden the biggest owl that

2914
01:51:00,550 --> 01:50:59,360
i've ever seen came right down at the

2915
01:51:03,990 --> 01:51:00,560
windshield

2916
01:51:06,310 --> 01:51:04,000
and i thought wow what a story that was

2917
01:51:08,470 --> 01:51:06,320
you know that's interesting because you

2918
01:51:10,470 --> 01:51:08,480
know i'll some as i'm sure you know turn

2919
01:51:12,229 --> 01:51:10,480
up it turn up in a lot of ufo cases

2920
01:51:14,070 --> 01:51:12,239
particularly with so-called

2921
01:51:16,070 --> 01:51:14,080
screen memories where the person thinks

2922
01:51:18,149 --> 01:51:16,080
they've seen this huge owl and they

2923
01:51:20,310 --> 01:51:18,159
never forget about it and then they

2924
01:51:22,070 --> 01:51:20,320
start having dreams where the owl was

2925
01:51:24,550 --> 01:51:22,080
actually like a screen memory or

2926
01:51:25,830 --> 01:51:24,560
something like that for an alien um

2927
01:51:27,350 --> 01:51:25,840
funnily enough i think i've got two

2928
01:51:30,070 --> 01:51:27,360
cases like that in the book i know

2929
01:51:33,270 --> 01:51:30,080
there's definitely one um where this

2930
01:51:35,510 --> 01:51:33,280
sort of um owl-like apparition clearly

2931
01:51:37,750 --> 01:51:35,520
much bigger than any normal owl could

2932
01:51:39,030 --> 01:51:37,760
ever be but the witness was sure that's

2933
01:51:41,270 --> 01:51:39,040
what they saw stood at the edge of the

2934
01:51:43,189 --> 01:51:41,280
road on a night when they'd had missing

2935
01:51:44,629 --> 01:51:43,199
time and um

2936
01:51:46,390 --> 01:51:44,639
you know from there

2937
01:51:48,790 --> 01:51:46,400
gradually bit by bit it came back to

2938
01:51:50,070 --> 01:51:48,800
them that the owl actually wasn't an owl

2939
01:51:52,470 --> 01:51:50,080
after all it was just like these

2940
01:51:55,030 --> 01:51:52,480
enticing huge eyes

2941
01:51:56,229 --> 01:51:55,040
that would be replaced with an al's eyes

2942
01:51:59,270 --> 01:51:56,239
when it was actually sort of you know

2943
01:52:02,550 --> 01:51:59,280
like the classic gray alien eyes right

2944
01:52:04,709 --> 01:52:02,560
um the screen memory thing is something

2945
01:52:05,669 --> 01:52:04,719
that uh was one of the questions on the

2946
01:52:07,350 --> 01:52:05,679
forum

2947
01:52:09,189 --> 01:52:07,360
and you just mentioned you have them in

2948
01:52:09,990 --> 01:52:09,199
your book that was a question they had

2949
01:52:13,510 --> 01:52:10,000
but

2950
01:52:17,669 --> 01:52:13,520
okay can you explain exactly what

2951
01:52:19,830 --> 01:52:17,679
what a screen memory is considered to be

2952
01:52:22,390 --> 01:52:19,840
well yeah it's basically somebody has

2953
01:52:24,790 --> 01:52:22,400
sort of a significant or more often like

2954
01:52:25,910 --> 01:52:24,800
a traumatic ufo event

2955
01:52:29,109 --> 01:52:25,920
and

2956
01:52:31,270 --> 01:52:29,119
the the mind sort of interprets it in a

2957
01:52:34,070 --> 01:52:31,280
different way now sometimes that's like

2958
01:52:36,709 --> 01:52:34,080
the the the right the mind

2959
01:52:39,350 --> 01:52:36,719
uh subconsciously doing it without you

2960
01:52:41,589 --> 01:52:39,360
realizing you know if somebody sees um

2961
01:52:44,629 --> 01:52:41,599
there are like verifiable examples where

2962
01:52:46,310 --> 01:52:44,639
somebody sees like a really horrific car

2963
01:52:48,550 --> 01:52:46,320
accident you know somebody goes through

2964
01:52:51,910 --> 01:52:48,560
the windshield and just cut to pieces

2965
01:52:54,149 --> 01:52:51,920
seven and dies in front of them and then

2966
01:52:56,629 --> 01:52:54,159
six months by six months later the

2967
01:52:58,629 --> 01:52:56,639
person knows they saw all that

2968
01:53:00,310 --> 01:52:58,639
but they just cannot see it in their

2969
01:53:01,510 --> 01:53:00,320
mind anymore you know what i mean they

2970
01:53:03,510 --> 01:53:01,520
know the person came through the

2971
01:53:04,709 --> 01:53:03,520
windshield etcetera etcetera but the

2972
01:53:07,270 --> 01:53:04,719
graphic

2973
01:53:09,669 --> 01:53:07,280
aspects i've have gone you know they can

2974
01:53:11,669 --> 01:53:09,679
see is like a blur or

2975
01:53:13,910 --> 01:53:11,679
they they're forced to imagine what it

2976
01:53:16,149 --> 01:53:13,920
was like so that is one kind of screen

2977
01:53:19,189 --> 01:53:16,159
memory but the one that turns up more

2978
01:53:20,870 --> 01:53:19,199
often in ufology is where it seems like

2979
01:53:22,149 --> 01:53:20,880
the phenomenon

2980
01:53:25,189 --> 01:53:22,159
can

2981
01:53:27,750 --> 01:53:25,199
literally enter our mind and alter

2982
01:53:29,750 --> 01:53:27,760
our memories you know it's not like it's

2983
01:53:31,990 --> 01:53:29,760
camouflaging itself and changing the way

2984
01:53:34,470 --> 01:53:32,000
it looks like possibly is the case with

2985
01:53:37,350 --> 01:53:34,480
those black helicopters it's a case of

2986
01:53:40,310 --> 01:53:37,360
the mind actually being manipulated to

2987
01:53:41,990 --> 01:53:40,320
see something it actually isn't and so

2988
01:53:45,910 --> 01:53:42,000
that may be why

2989
01:53:48,229 --> 01:53:45,920
in so many of these owl cases people see

2990
01:53:50,390 --> 01:53:48,239
a ufo or they think excuse me i should

2991
01:53:52,149 --> 01:53:50,400
say they first they thought they saw

2992
01:53:54,550 --> 01:53:52,159
this weird looking owl at the side of

2993
01:53:56,629 --> 01:53:54,560
the road anybody looked really big and

2994
01:53:57,990 --> 01:53:56,639
they never forgot about it or it swooped

2995
01:53:59,830 --> 01:53:58,000
right in front of the windshield and

2996
01:54:01,830 --> 01:53:59,840
they were sure it was going to hit the

2997
01:54:02,790 --> 01:54:01,840
the glass and swerved away at the last

2998
01:54:04,709 --> 01:54:02,800
second

2999
01:54:08,070 --> 01:54:04,719
and then the person just felt weird on

3000
01:54:09,750 --> 01:54:08,080
the rest of the drive home and then over

3001
01:54:13,189 --> 01:54:09,760
time sometimes

3002
01:54:14,470 --> 01:54:13,199
um it's like the screen memory starts to

3003
01:54:16,470 --> 01:54:14,480
fall apart

3004
01:54:19,030 --> 01:54:16,480
and the person then repo

3005
01:54:22,229 --> 01:54:19,040
remembers seeing like a a ufo at the

3006
01:54:23,669 --> 01:54:22,239
side of the road or two alien creatures

3007
01:54:25,430 --> 01:54:23,679
that's you know perceived alien

3008
01:54:27,750 --> 01:54:25,440
creatures that sort of

3009
01:54:29,510 --> 01:54:27,760
had the ability to stop the car and took

3010
01:54:31,350 --> 01:54:29,520
the person out the car

3011
01:54:34,470 --> 01:54:31,360
lo took them on board a ufo and there's

3012
01:54:37,270 --> 01:54:34,480
like a typical abduction scenario

3013
01:54:39,510 --> 01:54:37,280
but all the person remembered was seeing

3014
01:54:42,790 --> 01:54:39,520
the entities but didn't even recall

3015
01:54:44,229 --> 01:54:42,800
seeing them as aliens until years later

3016
01:54:47,189 --> 01:54:44,239
so um

3017
01:54:49,750 --> 01:54:47,199
you know there could be almost like a

3018
01:54:51,750 --> 01:54:49,760
almost like a silent massive underground

3019
01:54:54,229 --> 01:54:51,760
number of people who've had

3020
01:54:56,149 --> 01:54:54,239
weird experiences like this where they

3021
01:54:58,149 --> 01:54:56,159
don't consciously recall ever having

3022
01:54:59,669 --> 01:54:58,159
seen a ufo but they might have had

3023
01:55:01,830 --> 01:54:59,679
another weird experience it could have

3024
01:55:04,149 --> 01:55:01,840
been a cover for one wow really

3025
01:55:05,430 --> 01:55:04,159
interesting nick what are you writing uh

3026
01:55:07,109 --> 01:55:05,440
you're you're probably writing like

3027
01:55:08,310 --> 01:55:07,119
three books right now

3028
01:55:10,790 --> 01:55:08,320
but

3029
01:55:13,350 --> 01:55:10,800
when are you writing i'm literally right

3030
01:55:16,229 --> 01:55:13,360
not right now yeah um

3031
01:55:20,229 --> 01:55:16,239
do you uh have anything planned in the

3032
01:55:24,390 --> 01:55:20,239
future coming up on ufos

3033
01:55:26,470 --> 01:55:24,400
um well i i do um but the the next study

3034
01:55:29,030 --> 01:55:26,480
ufo books are going to be well i'm

3035
01:55:31,350 --> 01:55:29,040
actually working on another men in black

3036
01:55:32,629 --> 01:55:31,360
slash women in black book which will be

3037
01:55:35,270 --> 01:55:32,639
out at some point this year but i'm

3038
01:55:37,750 --> 01:55:35,280
still writing that one um but i also

3039
01:55:39,510 --> 01:55:37,760
have another book out um

3040
01:55:41,669 --> 01:55:39,520
in a couple of months called secret

3041
01:55:42,709 --> 01:55:41,679
societies which is like an a to z of all

3042
01:55:45,430 --> 01:55:42,719
sorts of

3043
01:55:48,149 --> 01:55:45,440
um strange and ancient modern secret

3044
01:55:50,070 --> 01:55:48,159
societies and then in september i've got

3045
01:55:52,229 --> 01:55:50,080
a book coming out called shape shifters

3046
01:55:55,109 --> 01:55:52,239
which is a sort of a cryptozoology book

3047
01:55:57,750 --> 01:55:55,119
yeah but it deals with all the history

3048
01:55:59,030 --> 01:55:57,760
legends and folklore of animals that can

3049
01:56:00,950 --> 01:55:59,040
reportedly

3050
01:56:02,709 --> 01:56:00,960
shape-shift not just like

3051
01:56:04,870 --> 01:56:02,719
werewolves but

3052
01:56:07,109 --> 01:56:04,880
you know in native american legends like

3053
01:56:09,510 --> 01:56:07,119
coyotes and

3054
01:56:12,310 --> 01:56:09,520
animals like that and also

3055
01:56:14,790 --> 01:56:12,320
um accounts where like like for example

3056
01:56:16,709 --> 01:56:14,800
that the scream everything as well where

3057
01:56:18,870 --> 01:56:16,719
he doesn't necessarily physically shape

3058
01:56:21,830 --> 01:56:18,880
shift but he's like a mind shift on the

3059
01:56:24,310 --> 01:56:21,840
part of the witness so it sort of covers

3060
01:56:26,950 --> 01:56:24,320
all sorts of strange creatures that you

3061
01:56:29,510 --> 01:56:26,960
know reportedly can sort of change their

3062
01:56:30,950 --> 01:56:29,520
physical appearance wow uh

3063
01:56:33,189 --> 01:56:30,960
interesting so

3064
01:56:34,470 --> 01:56:33,199
let's see there is a uh

3065
01:56:37,270 --> 01:56:34,480
there is a

3066
01:56:39,189 --> 01:56:37,280
one more message that i'd like to um ask

3067
01:56:41,430 --> 01:56:39,199
you because it involves men in black in

3068
01:56:44,149 --> 01:56:41,440
your research have you come across two

3069
01:56:46,790 --> 01:56:44,159
types of men in black where one type

3070
01:56:48,629 --> 01:56:46,800
does not seem to be completely human

3071
01:56:51,990 --> 01:56:48,639
and how does their appearance differ

3072
01:56:53,830 --> 01:56:52,000
from the more human looking ones

3073
01:56:55,350 --> 01:56:53,840
yeah that's one of the weirdest things

3074
01:56:57,430 --> 01:56:55,360
about the men in black mystery whenever

3075
01:56:59,510 --> 01:56:57,440
i give lectures on the subject i always

3076
01:57:02,470 --> 01:56:59,520
point this out that why the subject so

3077
01:57:04,709 --> 01:57:02,480
confusing is because there actually are

3078
01:57:06,950 --> 01:57:04,719
two categories of men in black now

3079
01:57:09,990 --> 01:57:06,960
certainly in the 40s and 50s

3080
01:57:12,390 --> 01:57:10,000
um you know the guys all dressed in sort

3081
01:57:14,629 --> 01:57:12,400
of you know dark suits skinny black ties

3082
01:57:17,830 --> 01:57:14,639
and fedoras that was the fashion back

3083
01:57:18,709 --> 01:57:17,840
then so there's no doubt that i think

3084
01:57:20,310 --> 01:57:18,719
some

3085
01:57:22,310 --> 01:57:20,320
cases that have sort of perceived as

3086
01:57:24,550 --> 01:57:22,320
so-called men in black reports were

3087
01:57:27,669 --> 01:57:24,560
legitimate visits by government people

3088
01:57:29,510 --> 01:57:27,679
to the homes of witnesses and where they

3089
01:57:31,109 --> 01:57:29,520
you know suggested we prefer you

3090
01:57:34,550 --> 01:57:31,119
wouldn't talk about this and they become

3091
01:57:37,910 --> 01:57:34,560
part of the you know the mib history and

3092
01:57:39,910 --> 01:57:37,920
law so to speak but in saying that

3093
01:57:42,390 --> 01:57:39,920
nearly i would say a good

3094
01:57:44,229 --> 01:57:42,400
at least sort of 70 80 probably more

3095
01:57:46,629 --> 01:57:44,239
percent than that of all the reports i

3096
01:57:48,709 --> 01:57:46,639
ever get are the more creepy men in

3097
01:57:49,669 --> 01:57:48,719
black which are described often very

3098
01:57:50,550 --> 01:57:49,679
pale

3099
01:57:53,669 --> 01:57:50,560
um

3100
01:57:55,750 --> 01:57:53,679
skinny only about five feet tall

3101
01:57:57,589 --> 01:57:55,760
their skin looks like you know they've

3102
01:57:59,270 --> 01:57:57,599
overdone it with a botox you know it's

3103
01:58:01,189 --> 01:57:59,280
just smooth

3104
01:58:02,149 --> 01:58:01,199
to the point of just looking really

3105
01:58:03,510 --> 01:58:02,159
weird

3106
01:58:05,990 --> 01:58:03,520
and um

3107
01:58:08,149 --> 01:58:06,000
they often wear these sort of black wigs

3108
01:58:10,390 --> 01:58:08,159
that are clearly wigs and the fedora

3109
01:58:12,390 --> 01:58:10,400
hats with the hats pulled down and these

3110
01:58:14,390 --> 01:58:12,400
weird wrap-around sunglasses so you can

3111
01:58:16,550 --> 01:58:14,400
barely make out their face

3112
01:58:18,870 --> 01:58:16,560
um which if you to remove the hat the

3113
01:58:21,430 --> 01:58:18,880
wigs and the sunglasses they might look

3114
01:58:23,669 --> 01:58:21,440
sort of really kind of alien and so you

3115
01:58:25,270 --> 01:58:23,679
have theories that they are literal

3116
01:58:26,870 --> 01:58:25,280
aliens or

3117
01:58:30,149 --> 01:58:26,880
could they be human

3118
01:58:31,750 --> 01:58:30,159
alien hybrids or something supernatural

3119
01:58:33,830 --> 01:58:31,760
but what i would say there are with

3120
01:58:36,629 --> 01:58:33,840
these weirder men in black there are a

3121
01:58:37,510 --> 01:58:36,639
lot of really strange aspects that do

3122
01:58:39,669 --> 01:58:37,520
sort of

3123
01:58:40,550 --> 01:58:39,679
border the paranormal like i said with

3124
01:58:42,550 --> 01:58:40,560
um

3125
01:58:44,149 --> 01:58:42,560
poltergeist activity in the homes and

3126
01:58:46,550 --> 01:58:44,159
some weird cases where people have

3127
01:58:48,709 --> 01:58:46,560
fallen really ill and sick after they've

3128
01:58:50,070 --> 01:58:48,719
been in the vicinity of the men in black

3129
01:58:52,070 --> 01:58:50,080
and um

3130
01:58:53,910 --> 01:58:52,080
so you know you we can't

3131
01:58:55,990 --> 01:58:53,920
we can't blame that on an intelligence

3132
01:58:57,830 --> 01:58:56,000
agency that's that belongs to this

3133
01:58:59,750 --> 01:58:57,840
weirder category which we're still

3134
01:59:01,350 --> 01:58:59,760
struggling to understand

3135
01:59:03,750 --> 01:59:01,360
what they are but they're not from the

3136
01:59:07,830 --> 01:59:03,760
pentagon that's for sure right right

3137
01:59:11,030 --> 01:59:07,840
interesting okay so nick's book is 365

3138
01:59:13,910 --> 01:59:11,040
days of ufos it has goes right through

3139
01:59:16,310 --> 01:59:13,920
the calendar in different years um it

3140
01:59:19,270 --> 01:59:16,320
will go from january 1st all the way to

3141
01:59:20,709 --> 01:59:19,280
december 31st a story for each day of

3142
01:59:24,629 --> 01:59:20,719
something that happened on that day

3143
01:59:27,669 --> 01:59:24,639
sometime in history and uh nick's uh

3144
01:59:29,189 --> 01:59:27,679
amazon link as well as his

3145
01:59:31,669 --> 01:59:29,199
uh blog

3146
01:59:33,750 --> 01:59:31,679
is right in the show notes the show

3147
01:59:37,030 --> 01:59:33,760
notes sub you'll find right right below

3148
01:59:39,589 --> 01:59:37,040
on podcastufo.com and thanks so much

3149
01:59:41,270 --> 01:59:39,599
nick it's it's been a real pleasure

3150
01:59:44,149 --> 01:59:41,280
oh well thanks so much martin had a good

3151
01:59:46,629 --> 01:59:44,159
time yes and uh hang in while i close

3152
01:59:49,030 --> 01:59:46,639
out if you would please so uh thanks so

3153
01:59:51,350 --> 01:59:49,040
much for listening everyone um we're

3154
01:59:53,109 --> 01:59:51,360
going to be back next week with artie

3155
01:59:55,430 --> 01:59:53,119
six killer clark

3156
01:59:56,790 --> 01:59:55,440
uh the following week will be the narcap

3157
01:59:58,950 --> 01:59:56,800
uh

3158
02:00:00,550 --> 01:59:58,960
agent or i don't want to say agent

3159
02:00:03,830 --> 02:00:00,560
member or uh

3160
02:00:06,149 --> 02:00:03,840
anyway um he'll be on after that

3161
02:00:08,310 --> 02:00:06,159
and the following week after that will

3162
02:00:10,390 --> 02:00:08,320
be out in phoenix and i can't wait

3163
02:00:13,910 --> 02:00:10,400
remember if you're going to be there

3164
02:00:15,589 --> 02:00:13,920
look me up uh martin at podcast ufo and

3165
02:00:17,750 --> 02:00:15,599
uh i'd love to hang out with you it'd be

3166
02:00:19,030 --> 02:00:17,760
a lot of fun so that's and i want to

3167
02:00:20,709 --> 02:00:19,040
thank everyone for helping out with the

3168
02:00:23,750 --> 02:00:20,719
show i want to thank the people who

3169
02:00:26,070 --> 02:00:23,760
participated in chat it really uh it was

3170
02:00:28,229 --> 02:00:26,080
great in the youtube and so what i did

3171
02:00:30,870 --> 02:00:28,239
find out while we're running the show

3172
02:00:33,109 --> 02:00:30,880
here is if you do need to open a gmail

3173
02:00:35,589 --> 02:00:33,119
account or some type of youtube account

3174
02:00:37,589 --> 02:00:35,599
to participate in the chat eventually i

3175
02:00:40,070 --> 02:00:37,599
do believe that i'm going to

3176
02:00:42,709 --> 02:00:40,080
embed that on my home page for all the

3177
02:00:45,350 --> 02:00:42,719
regular listeners so alright thanks so

3178
02:00:49,390 --> 02:00:45,360
much and remember to keep your eyes to